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Senate Democrats Defeat the Thune Gun-Rights Amendment

July 22, 2009 - by Donny Shaw

For the first time this session, Senate Democrats have successfully filibustered a Republican amendment to loosen federal gun laws. The Senate today voted 58-39 on Sen. John Thune’s [R, SD] amendment to allow people who are legally allowed to carry concealed weapons in their home state to carry their weapons in any of the 48 states that have some form of concealed carry law. SIxty votes were needed for the amendment to pass.

The Associated Press called today’s vote “a rare win for gun control advocates.”

Twice already this session of Congress, the Democratically-controlled Senate voted in favor of Republican gun-rights amendments. In February, the Senate voted 62-36 to allow people to carry guns in Washington D.C. and in May they voted 67-29 to allow people to bring guns into national parks. But the Thune amendment is significantly broader than those amendments, and some Democrats who voted for the other pro-gun amendments were unwilling to vote in favor of Thune’s. Paul Kane at the Washington Post says the amendment is “considered the most far reaching federal effort ever proposed to expand laws to allow weapons ownership.”

The amendment was proposed as an add-on to the must-pass FY10 Department of Defense Authorizations Act (S. 1390).

Opponents of the amendment argued that it would let gun owners from states with more liberal gun laws, like Vermont or Florida, carry their guns into states that require more training and where it’s much harder for a person to get a gun, like Massachusetts and New Jersey. “The passage of this amendment would have done more to threaten the safety of New Yorkers than anything since the repeal of the assault-weapons ban,” Sen. Charles Schumer [D, NY] said after the vote. "If this had passed, it would have created havoc for law enforcement and endangered the safety of millions of New Yorkers. We will remain vigilant to prevent any legislation like this from passing in the future.”

Two Republicans crossed party lines to vote with Democrats against the amendment. If both had voted with the rest of their party, the amendment would have passed. They are:

Sen. Richard Lugar [R, IN]
Sen. George Voinovich [R, OH]

Twenty Democrats joined the Republicans in voting for the amendment. They are:

Sen. Max Baucus [D, MT]
Sen. Evan Bayh [D, IN]
Sen. Mark Begich [D, AK]
Sen. Michael Bennet [D, CO]
Sen. Robert Casey [D, PA]
Sen. Kent Conrad [D, ND]
Sen. Byron Dorgan [D, ND]
Sen. Russell Feingold [D, WI]
Sen. Kay Hagan [D, NC]
Sen. Tim Johnson [D, SD]
Sen. Mary Landrieu [D, LA]
Sen. Blanche Lincoln [D, AR]
Sen. Ben Nelson [D, NE]
Sen. Mark Pryor [D, AR]
Sen. Harry Reid [D, NV]
Sen. Jon Tester [D, MT]
Sen. Mark Udall [D, CO]
Sen. Tom Udall [D, NM]
Sen. Mark Warner [D, VA]
Sen. Jim Webb [D, VA]

Noting Democratic Majority Leader Reid’s “yes” vote, Glenn Thrush notes that “this is also a victory of sorts for Majority Leader Harry Reid, who was able to make a pro-gun vote to please the 2010 voters in Nevada without really facing any consequences in terms of actual policy.”

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Comments

adipesh 07/23/2009 11:06am
in reply to adipesh Jul 23, 2009 11:03am

also,

  • S.371
  • H.R.1620
  • S.845

Same action, 4 bills, two in the house, two in the senate. and everyone’s getting all worked up over one defeated amendment?

adipesh 07/23/2009 11:03am

anyone else bothered to note that this same issue is before the house? H.R.197

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h197/show

intruder09 07/24/2009 6:16am
in reply to adipesh Jul 23, 2009 11:03am

Yep, watching 197 and 17.Hopefully Lugar and Voinovich will come out of their stupor in time to vote along their parties lines on the next bill.I am from NJ and I hate living here.We are treated like the ones who are committing the crimes.What makes a Senators,Judge or Armored car guards life more important than mine or my family?.They are supplied with state protection,but I have to defend myself and my family.What if one of their children were attending Virginia Tech? Do you think it would have been ok then if someone from NJ with a concealed carry permit saved their child’s life?

intruder09 07/24/2009 6:17am

Just need 2 lousy votes! Wake up Lugar and Voinovich!

BudWiser 07/24/2009 8:21am

One of my Democratic Senators from Wisconsin voted for the Thune-Vitter Amendment, and yet the stupid Republican leadership cannot get their heads out of their asses. George W. Bush, and these stupid fools have contributed immensely to the trashing of their party by continually (in the words of George H.W. Bush #41), “sometimes you have to go along to get along”. The country is going to Hell in a Hand Basket, and these anti-gun traitors are continuing to support this trend!qilvho

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intruder09 07/24/2009 6:27am
in reply to adipesh Jul 23, 2009 11:06am

S.845 was defeated by 2 votes on Wednesday by the 2 Republican traitors.Hopefully we have a 75% chance on the next 3 bills if they get it together!

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