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House Moves War Spending Package to the Senate.

July 2, 2010 - by Donny Shaw

If you asked the House of Representatives right now to approve $37 billion to continue the war in Afghanistan indefinitely without a plan in place for winding it down, the answer would be “no.” But through some carefully considered procedural maneuvering last night, Democratic leaders in the House managed to pass their war spending bill, reject attempts at setting a withdrawal timeline, enact a broad budget enforcement resolution that will guide all discretionary spending for 2011, and even throw in billions of dollars (fully offset) in unrelated domestic spending. The bill is H.R. 4899.

At the core of the procedural maneuvering was a “deem and pass” rule, which, you may recall from the health care reform debate, allows a bill to be “deemed” passed without actually getting its own vote. For all the details of what went down, I recommend reading David Dayen’s rundown. It’s a long post, but this is the kind of scenario that is purposefully designed by Congress so that you can’t really tell what happened by looking at the roll call votes or the actions that get recorded in the congressional record. The Hill also has a good article, but I definitely recommend the more procedurally-informative post from Dayen. You need to know what happened procedurally in order to interpret the data Congress is putting out on this. In fact, you can’t even find the most important vote if you’re looking at the actual spending bill that was passed. You need to look at the “rule” that set up the votes on the bill and allowed it to be deemed passed (H. Res. 1500). The full roll call on the rule can be seen at this link.

The Senate won’t be taking up this package of war and domestic spending until mid July, likely after they take care of the pending unemployment insurance bill. As we’ve seen recently, the Senate has no appetite right now for new deficit spending, so there may be some problems getting this through as the $37 billion in war money is not offset.

We’ll be following this as it moves into the Senate, but, for now, go read that David Dayen piece to catch up on what happened in the House.

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Comments

Displaying 1-30 of 34 total comments.

  • jlcarpenter77 07/02/2010 10:20am

    So, let me get this straight: we can CONTINUE to spend money on this war in ANOTHER COUNTRY fighting for foreign people’s freedom (supposedly) and yet our country’s people are starving, losing the homes they worked so hard for, losing their cars, etc. and we can’t put OUR PEOPLE’S needs first? Yeah, yeah— they won’t “consider” this until the UI bill is looked at for the fourth time, but all along this has been a priortiy…. I supported Bush and the war at 911’s inception, but the message is now lost and it’s about preserving our right to drill cheaper oil. That’s it and that’s all. Anyone who thinks different (like my antiquated, sheltered, and naive parents) are insane! Frankly, I don’t give a shit about other people in other countries. It’s always been about the US spending OUR money to help lesser nations out of stupid problems. Now, that the US is in trouble, who is going to help us? No one. If 2012 is even remotely true, we deserve it for being stupid and selfish.

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    ET235 07/02/2010 4:54pm

    I like your reference to 2012. I believe it’s going to happen.

  • purdue725 07/02/2010 11:15am

    I still dont get it, why do we have stupid people running this country? as it is, we are in a deficit because of these useless wars and now they want to spend even more and let our citizens die? what nonsense! they cant pass a simple bill for the unemployed but eager to pass a bill to spend more money on useless war? come on..give me a break!! All we do is, bail out people who gambled our lives, we give money away for free to all the countries in the world but yet we can not help our own? This money is OUR money…we should not let the senate nor the house make any decisions, UNLESS OUR people take a vote on EVERY BILL that goes through…The GOVERNMENT SHOULD be working for US, not others!! I pray to God that these idiots on vacation come to realize how much of a deep hole we are and if we dont help the unemployed, like myself, we are going to sink…we are a a FAILED STATE! you get that politicians..read it, WE ARE A FAILED STATE!!

  • shannwil 07/02/2010 11:19am

    Is this paid for? They want to talk about the deficit how long are our children gonna pay for this debt added on? This bill will get passed and the unemployed are told to fuck off! This just pisses me off even more.

  • purdue725 07/02/2010 11:34am

    They are all full of shit these politicians. You know how we preach other countries on democracy, we ourselves dont even practice that. The politicians get funded bribes by corporations and the politicians work for them, not for us common man in this country. They dont give a shit. I am lucky that I do not have kids and nor will I ever bring them into this fucked up country or this world for that matter. Its really sad to see that we unemployed have absolutely no say in anything, no help! they have basically turned their backs on us..both, the democrats and the republicans. All the democrats can do is pay for it from the stimulus money and all the republicans can do is approve..come on!! get real! I am amazed to see how these politicians can sleep like a baby at night, no fear of losing anything, nothing, nada..and they are celebrating July 4th knowing that 1.3 million people have no money..wow, what is this country come to….so sad!!

  • jla0218 07/02/2010 3:34pm

    They’re not all taking next week to vacation. Most will probably use the time to let their constituents know what a great job they’re doing and how much things have gotten better since the last election they were in. WE know it’s bull crap because we were FORCED to become involved in the process. A majority just finds it easier to believe what they’re told. I agree that, as a country, we should be taking care of Americans first and foremost. But even actors do ads begging us to help other countries. A good example is the Sally Struthers commercial that is asking for money to feed starving children overseas. There are kids starving in EVERY city in America – including Hollywood. It’s time we stopped listening to what we’re told and started making decisions based on information we find out for ourselves. And PURDUE725- seriel killers, murderers, rapists, and drug dealers sleep just fine…. why wouldn’t the crooks in congress?

  • Why does President Obama keep lying to the public? Today again he said how good the economy is, we all know thats a lie. The unemployment is up higher than when he started office and he has bankrupted our country. We need our factories brought back to America and we need industries in America to employ Americans.

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    artledoux 07/03/2010 3:19am

    I think your a little lopsided on the facts. Bush made the mess that Obama is
    trying to clean up. Prior to taking office we were losing over 200,000 jobs a
    month, now we are in the positive. It is not enough to overcome the unemployment
    rate, but at least we’re going in the right direction. There is no magic wand
    to wave to get this back on track. If you want to repeat history have the
    government stop spending and we’ll be in for an even worse situation.
    Look it up the same thing happened in 1937.
    Bush doubled the national debt, if he had left everything alone from the Clinton
    era our national debt would have been erased by 2011. Instead he gave several
    trillion in tax breaks to the rich and started 2 wars we could not afford.
    The average American only got about 100 dollars a year back from Bush’s tax cuts and someone making 10 million saved $500,000!
    Art LeDoux

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    GABE1004 07/03/2010 5:50am

    Some people can’t see it or dont want to admit it.

    The other thing is we have to deal with our veterans who are comming back with mental problems. I have a nephew with one tour in Kosovo, three tours in Iraq.

    We should never hav ebeen in Irag in the firsst place or that Iraq precious oil is where now?

    GABE

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    Chris51 07/03/2010 8:36pm

    You’re right.

    Iraq is Bush’s oil war. Channey’s corporation got all the contracts out there. Now even the people in Iraq do not have jobs. American Corporations have secured contracts and are making billions off of the governments.

    Things are never simply as they seem… Politics are an excellent source for GREED + POWER = CORRUPTION.

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    WeThePeopleFightBack2010 07/03/2010 1:03pm

    Thats true that it was a mess before Obama took over. People are still loosing their jobs, not being able to find another one, unless they are lucky and managed to find a p/t job at minimum pay. It has been a domino affect to all industries, Foreigners are buying industries in America and hiring NOT Americans, The Neilson Plant in Florida, 90% of the people employed there are from India, not America. People can’t find jobs. How is that a positive direction. We need to get our factories back to America where they belong. Yes, I got $400 back from tax breaks, ooooohhh, like thats gonna make a difference when people have NO jobs. How many million dollar bonuses were given to rich bankers (or whatever) in their big bailout.

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    WeThePeopleFightBack2010 07/03/2010 1:05pm

    The government should not stop spending, just stop making the rich get richer while the middle class becomes poor.If they would have divided that money among the people we could have paid off our mrtgs and the banks would have their money and the people would not be loosing their homes. People want to work.I guess I don’t understand why we are still letting the millionaires continue to make more money by having their factories in other countries.Places continue to close down and move out of America as we speak.It seems to me that it all started when our factories moved overseas, taking jobs away from Americans. That was not Obamas fault.But why can’t he fix that and bring back our jobs by forcing these owners to bring back our factories? Then people could get jobs and spend money on mtg, utilities, food, and even a pair of shoes. That would put money back into the economy.Instead he bailed out the banks, etc.How is that going in the right direction?….I bet you still have your job.

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    artledoux 07/03/2010 1:49pm

    The answer to making and keeping jobs in America is simple. It does not
    take an act from congress, nor the president. It’s action from you and I.
    If we buy American made only, the money stays here. If they don’t make
    the widget you want here, go to a garage sale or make it yourself!
    That’s how we stop jobs from leaving!
    Art LeDoux

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    Chris51 07/03/2010 9:46pm

    Why don’t our Republican Senators get that there is a great need?

    The job market is broken.
    The corporate executives are not going to give up their year-end profit bonus by adding jobs/payroll to their companies.

    Here are a few stories on our jobless nation:

    Job recovery hits a wall
    http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/02/news/economy/jobs_june/index.htm

    Job gloom at all time high
    http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/03/news/economy/discouraged_workers/index.htm

    7.9 million jobs lost- many forever
    http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/02/news/economy/jobs_gone_forever/index.htm

    Jobless claims spike
    http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/01/news/economy/jobless_claims/index.htm

    Thousands at risk for losing unemployment benefits
    http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/money/job_news/unemployment-benefits-jeopardy-6-28-2010

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    justamick 07/14/2010 12:28pm

    I think you’re slightly lopsided on your facts… Obama has done little to clean up the mistakes of Bush Jr. Prime example: Patriot Act. Nuff said. Your lord and savior Obama has done nothing but make a bad situation worse with Government Health Care take over and Government take over of the automotive industry. (Reference Government holds majority stakes in GM)

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    justamick 07/14/2010 12:28pm

    As for two wars we couldnt afford… the only reason why Afghanistan is still going on is because Bush Jr. foolishly decided to jade us all and get us into a war we should never gotten into (Iraq). If all attention and focus was left on Afghanistan, then we’d be having a different conversation regarding war spending. The fact remains, Afghanistan is a mess that we started back when the Soviets decided to invade. We created the problem that exists there today. (Reference Congressman Charlie Wilson) The Taliban would never have had the political footing to gain power if we would have invested in their infrastructure after the Soviets invaded and were defeated.

  • When are the politicians gonna take a cut in pay. When are the business owners who moved their plants overseas gonna pay taxes.

  • firestorm145 07/03/2010 6:09am

    What the hell is this? We need the money for unemployment and jobs and they are willing to spend money on a war we should not be in? Everyone protest and fight back against this. People need help here.

  • artledoux 07/03/2010 4:31pm

    They just gave 15 million to restore concentration camps in Germany, look for it
    in the news. While I understand it’s important to preserve history, is it not
    important to make sure your own country men, women and especially children are
    fed and have a roof over their heads first? Can we who are unemployed go to
    Germany and work on those camps and earn some of our own tax dollars to send
    home and care for our families? You people of the senate go on a vacation and
    leave your own to wither away!
    Art LeDoux

  • GodPleaseReturnToTheUSA 07/05/2010 4:35am

    Its all a form of deception. The reports by the media about how “much better” our country is doing, the reports on the “rise” in the economy, the “fall” in unemployment numbers, etc. Its to keep our attention focused on “doing better” and to keep our attention off how bad our country is actually doing. Be not deceived people. Listen very closely to what the US Government DOES instead of what they SAY. We should always discern a tree by the type of fruit it bears, not by the amount of water it receives. The love of money, greed, and power will quickly lead this country to destruction. Dear God, help us! I read a book titled “What in the World is going on?” by Dr. David Jeremiah……..wether you be Christian or not, I suggest you read this book….will open your eyes on what is going on in the power of politics and how the USA is growing under the authority of other countries. Once unemployment is reinstated-think of investing in this book. God Bless!

  • Chris51 07/06/2010 1:31pm

    Great reporting on YouTube.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ljoh5oW1Yb8

    This news reporting, the debates on CSPAN, and OpenCongress.com help give the public a close-up look at our cRepresentives job incompetence.

    Congress should draft up a “Fairness To Jobless Citizen’s Act”, that would remove incompetent Senators and be required to replace them with an unemployed American that will appreciate the job opportunity, work hard and will be effective for The People.

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  • Chris51 07/07/2010 9:04pm

    CNN has actually screened and blocked several comments/blogs that expose the truth about the Republican Senators in regards to the UI Ext bills.

    Here are some stories written with very accurate reporting of the UI Ext Crisis.

    The unemployment emergency
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/05/AR2010070502658.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

    Senate struggles with unemployment benefits
    http://www.csmonitor.com/Money/Tax-VOX/2010/0707/Senate-struggles-with-unemployment-benefits

    Calls to Suicide Hotlines Skyrocket Along with Unemployment
    http://uspoverty.change.org/blog/view/calls_to_suicide_hotlines_skyrocket_along_with_unemployment

  • enlargementpill 07/08/2010 1:00am

    yes this right .i m with you Barrym

  • Chris51 07/08/2010 9:51am

    Read and sign this petition on Change.org today if you agree.

    Petition Title: Tell your Senators to vote for an emergency extension of UI Benefits.

    http://uspoverty.change.org/blog/category/employment_unemployment

  • Chris51 07/08/2010 5:59pm

    Senator’s excuse for not passing is a false statement.
    Read all about it:
    The funding argument is even harder to swallow. I’d be more sympathetic with these new converts to fiscal responsibility if they were as enthusiastic about paying for extending $32 billion worth of special interest tax breaks as they are about funding the unemployment extension. If I understand correctly, these lawmakers insist that Congress fund every dime of added jobless aid, which nearly all analysts agree will help boost the economy. But they feel no need to pay for continuing these special interest tax breaks, which will not.
    Full Story:
    http://www.csmonitor.com/Money/Tax-VOX/2010/0707/Senate-struggles-with-unemployment-benefits

  • Chris51 07/08/2010 6:32pm

    GOP are determined to bloc everything the President is trying to do for the USA right now. He has a vested interest, and seems to take pride in doing the best job he can while in office.
    We are in trouble as long as Republican politicians continue favoring their special interest.
    How can any CEO or Owner of business get anything done if half of his managers or executives stand in his way just to be defiant.

    President Obama speech on CSPAN today, while in Kansas City, MO to support a future candidate. Was right on.
    If you are an unemployed American, and are thinking no one understands the difficulties of being jobless. Obama speech articulated the financial and emotional struggles well. Hat’s off to the President for saying what needed to be said.

    http://cspan.org/Watch/Media/2010/07/08/HP/A/35248/Pres+Obama+Remarks+at+Fundraiser+for+Missouri+Senate+Candidate+Robin

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    Chris51 07/10/2010 8:18pm

    Halliburton Continues to Flood Lawmakers With Contributions After Oil Spill
    Published on July 9, 2010
    Halliburton, the company once headed by former Republican Vice President Dick Cheney contributed $15,500 to federal candidates during June, according to a Center for Responsive Politics review of their political action committee’s most recent campaign finance filing…
    OPENSECRET.ORG

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    Chris51 07/10/2010 8:31pm

    Oil&Gas Industry Contribution 2009-2010
    Koch Industries $724,300 14% Dems, 86% Repubs

    Kosh has made big contributions to FreedomWorks, a non-profit that funds Tea Party. These 2 organizations are putting a great deal of pressure on Republicans to not support UI Ext. with stimulus that require corporations to help pay back through taxes.

    Most big corporations have made record profits this year by cutting jobs long-term. They started layoffs in 2007, and putting millions of Americans on unemployment.

    They created the business mantra of “Do more, with less”, causing todays workforce to do more job responsibility with no more pay.

  • Chris51 07/10/2010 6:28am

    Republicans filibustered UI Ext bill! They’re asking for UI Ext be paid, while at the same time they’re fighting to give their Special Interest groups special tax stimulus. Rep are trying to look like they care about the deficit, but for 10 yrs (Bush Admin) they never spoke of concerns for the huge deficit they were digging us into as they approved large spending for Special Interest. The Rep debate on these UI Ext bills are like “broken record”. They want USA to use the stimulus money that is already committed to the agreed upon projects, programs, etc. Republicans want USA to “rob Peter to pay Paul”, so they can try to prolong the problem past November election. This is how they have operated for YEARS, and we’re in worse shape now because of their IRRESPONSIBLENESS. People should not be in Leadership positions if they cant make decision for the problems at hand.
    Dont take my word for it. Please read links Donny Shaw and others have provided with accurate research and reporting.

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