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Update on Tuesday's Unemployment Vote

July 16, 2010 - by Donny Shaw

As some of you have noted in the comments, in my post last night on what’s been going on with the unemployment bill, I came to the wrong conclusion about which bill — H.R. 4213 or H.R. 5618 — would be getting a vote on Tuesday. Because, as I explained, Senate Democrats had been setting up the procedure for bringing H.R. 5618 to the Senate floor directly (skipping the committee process), I figured that was the bill they were planning to move forward with. However, shortly after publishing the post, new information was posted on the Senate calendar that indicated H.R. 4213 would actually be the bill getting a vote.

Here’s what it in the Congressional Record Daily Digest for Thursday about Tuesday’s vote:

A unanimous-consent agreement was reached providing that at 2:30 p.m., on Tuesday, July 20, 2010, Senate resume consideration of the amendment of the House of Representatives to the amendment of the Senate to H.R. 4213, to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to extend certain expiring provisions; that the motion to reconsider be agreed to, and Senate vote on the motion to invoke cloture on the motion to concur in the House amendment to the Senate amendment to the bill with Reid Amendment No. 4425 (to the amendment of the House to the amendment of the Senate to the bill), in the nature of a substitute.

This is the same exact motion and the same exact amendment that the Senate voted on on June 30. It was effectively filibustered then by a vote of 58-38, but, remember, Majority Leader Sen. Harry Reid [D, NV] only voted “nay” in order to preserve his right under Senate rules to bring the bill back up for another vote. If another senator had voted “aye,” Reid would have switched his vote to an “aye” in order to secure the 60 votes that are needed to break a filibuster. On Tuesday, after Carte Goodwin (Byrd’s replacement) is sworn in, the Democrats will have 60 votes to break the Republican-led filibuster and pass the cloture motion.

Once cloture passes, the Senate will then have to vote on passage of the “motion to concur in the House amendment to the Senate amendment to the bill with Reid Amendment No. 4425” within 30 hours. The Republicans could choose to keep the debate open for the full 30 hours, or they could let the Democrats proceed within the final vote sooner. It’s customary for the minority party to let the final vote happen shortly after cloture is invoked since passage only takes 51 votes and it has just been shown that the majority has at least 60, but the Republicans do stand to benefit by using up as much of the Democrats’ time as they can, so we’ll see.

Once final passage is secured in the Senate, the bill will have to go back to the House for a vote on a concurring to Senate amendment.

On May 28, the House passed a version of this bill that contained the unemployment insurance extension and several controversial tax provisions by a vote of 215-204. On July 1, the House passed a stand-alone unemployment extension bill (H.R. 5618) by an overwhelming 270-152. Given their ability to pass both a stand-alone UI bill and one that includes a bunch of unrelated tax items, they should have no problem passing the Reid Amendment. Besides the UI extension, it contains an extension of the closing date for the first-time homebuyer tax credit, which is fully offset by three non-controversial revenue items, details of which can be found here.

As soon as the House votes favorably on concurring with the Senate amendment, the bill can be sent to President Obama to be signed into law.

Now let me throw in this important disclaimer: This is all at the discretion of Majority Leader Reid and it is subject to change. As we know, Reid has been working simultaneously to have H.R. 5618 ready for a vote as well, and just because the calendar says H.R. 4213 right now doesn’t mean that is definitely what will happen on Tuesday. No matter what, it looks right now like there should be no problem with getting the unemployment extension signed into law by the end of next week. Keep checking this blog or subscribe to the RSS feed for updates.

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    artledoux 07/17/2010 1:28am

    There is 352 billion that has not been allocated.
    The unemployment money does stimulate the economy because it gets spent.
    Money that is saved does not get circulated and there fore has a
    negative affect. When the money is spent it has a circulating affect
    and it has a multiplying affect.
    Art LeDoux

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    Abaratarrr 07/16/2010 2:30pm
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    they are saving that 352 billion for oboma’a 2012 election campain

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    artledoux 07/16/2010 5:52pm

    They can not use that money for any campaign.
    Art LeDoux

  • beenblue 07/16/2010 2:14pm

    I`m not sure where I`v seen the Republicans come up with Any ways to pay as you go for the unemployment crisis, I`m curious as to where ALL the money I paid into FICA, and Social security went to, sure am glad that Bush didn`t get to privatize social security, I`m pretty sure it would have gone the way of the 401k !!! The Republican Party seem`s to have one idea for this country, FINISH WHAT THEY STARTED, then stand back and watch it burn…

  • DDUBBS 07/16/2010 2:28pm

    I HAVE A QUESTION THAT I HOPE SOMEONE CAN ANSWER FOR ME. IM TRYING TO UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING THAT IS GOING ON AND IM OK WITH MOST OF IT BUT ONE THING BOTHERS ME. IF THE EXTENTION IS PASSED AND IT EXTENDS THE DATE FOR FILING FOR OTHER TIERS OF UI UNTILL NOV. WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THAT? I WOULD ONLY BE HALF WAY INTO TIER TWO. WOULD I BE BACK IN THE SAME BOAT IM IN NOW? NOT BEING ABLE TO RECEIVE ANY OF THE OTHER TIERS? WOULD ALL $ STOP IN NOV? OR WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO RECEIVE THE FULL 99 WEEKS? ANY HELP YOU CAOULD GIVE ME WOULD BE GREAT.
    HANG IN THERE EVERYONE AND “REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!!!!”

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    laidbackjt 07/16/2010 2:30pm

    You are correct. A new bill would need to be passed in order for you to receive the extended benefits. Hope you find a job by then. I hope we all do.

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    beenblue 07/16/2010 2:31pm

    You are alloted 99wks

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    Abaratarrr 07/16/2010 2:39pm

    it would allow you to finnish the tier you are enrolled in at the time the extensions expire but you will not be able to go to the next tier,

    that is with exception to state extended benefits which will end the week that extenders bill expires.

    It also depends on what state you are in some state only qualify for 80ish weeks of benefits.

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    ladbjangles 07/17/2010 1:04am

    Are they counting your benefits paid by employer as part of the 99 weeks

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    Kerlynne 07/17/2010 1:10pm

    in the begining after you become unemployed your first 6 months is the one that your employer paid into as did any of your previous employers. They go back a year and base your unemployment on those figures ( at least here in washington state) Then the extended comes into play after that is used up.

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    downandout 07/17/2010 6:37am

    Sorry, Abaratarr but you are wrong about moving to the next tier, at least in my state. I have confirmed this with my local office on more than one occasion. Even if you had just finished a tier, you are eligible to move to the next tier automatically once the extension has passed. Remember, it is not the same in every state, so people should call their local offices and confirm what THEIR state does.

  • DDUBBS 07/16/2010 2:36pm

    GEE…. I CANT SEE WHY ANYONE WOULD GET CONFUSED HERE. “LAIDBACKJT” SAYS YES A NEW EXTENTION WOULD NEED TO BE SIGNED, AND “BEENBLUE” SAYS NO I WILL GET ALL 99 WEEKS. NOW I REALY APPRECIATE THE HELP BUT IS ANYONE SURE ABOUT THIS?

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    Abaratarrr 07/16/2010 2:47pm

    DDUBBS I have gone through all of the extension and I know everything:) just ask me.

    But it will work the same as it happened june second people were able to finnish the tier they were enrolled in (with exception to EB)but not able to advance to the next tier,

    the total amount of weeks you can get is dependent on your states unemployment rate

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    beenblue 07/16/2010 3:24pm

    It was based on the percentage rate of your state 9% and above received longer periods of benefits, because of new proposals, and laws in flux it`s hard to say what is for sure anymore. I just read this morning Nothing over 99wks is expected to be allowed in the near future.

  • beenblue 07/16/2010 3:15pm

    Here`s some food for thought that you should REMEMBER in NOVEMBER , Hitler was Quoted as saying " It`s a lucky thing for leaders that people don`t think. " And the strange thing is, everything he did was legal, and everything the founding fathers of our country did was ill legal. They were guilty as traitors, terrorist, and high treason against the Crown. I feel our Representatives do not represent us and by us I mean, those who gave it their all, no regrets, and in return have been thrown under the bus, for a new world order of a Globalized Economy run by heartless corporations, and their lobbyist. Every problem I have leads to the door steps of Washington, and both party`s are playing a game with our lives as if we already didn`t exist except as a sound bite to their next speech..

  • phantomfaery 07/16/2010 3:38pm

    I seriously hope they pass this and soon! It’s gotten to the point where we have next to no food in the house, and we were denied for food assistance because my boyfriend “made too much money” yet he’s the one that now has to pay all of the bills, which leaves no room for groceries. Even spending twenty dollars on food made a dent. What saddens me is that people have it SO much worse out there, and it honestly feels like these politicians could care less, because they get to go on vacations and sit in their comfy homes without having to worry about finding work or providing for their families. They aren’t the ones who are rushing around trying to figure out how to pay the month’s mortgage or rent. I’ll tell you one thing, I’m definitely going to remember this when election season comes up, and I know who I won’t be voting for. Let’s all try and keep our hopes up and fingers crossed that they get their crap together and pass this.

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    beenblue 07/16/2010 3:52pm

    I FEEL YA KIDDO, CAN YOU BELIEVE THEY ( CONGRESS ) VOTED TO GIVE THEMSELVES A 30% PAY INCREASE BEFORE THY WENT ON VACATION.!!! BACK IN THE DAY WE HAD SAYINGS THAT STIRRED UP EMOTION, LIKE “V” FOR VICTORY, AND REMEMBER PEARL HARBOR, WELL HOW ABOUT WE CLOSE EVERY COMMENT WITH " REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER " THEN BLAST IT TO EVERY REPRESENTATIVE E-MAIL ACCOUNT THAT EXIST.????

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    Kerlynne 07/16/2010 4:05pm

    they gave themselves a raise? when did they do that I like that phrase…
    remember november……. pull the trigger people say it on anything and everything you write!!!!

    REMEMBER NOVEMBER!

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    Sannybeth 07/16/2010 4:56pm

    There’s a bill HR 4720, Taking responsibility for congressional pay act, which proposes a reduction in pay for congress. Too bad they are the ones who get to vote on it. I’ve been emailing my local news stations and the network news trying to get the media to talk about it but nobody will. No way will they vote for it unless they are shamed into to.

  • buddyg1 07/16/2010 3:41pm

    DDUBBS … if 4213 passes (which it is expected to do) you will be eligible to benefit from any tier extension available to your case up until November 30, 2010. This means that if you are currently enrolled in any one of those tiers on or before November 30, 2010, you will continue enrolled and benefited by that tier until it runs out. However, you will not be able to extend to any additional tier after November 30 unless congress approves another deadline extension.

  • buddyg1 07/16/2010 3:43pm

    Here’s an example; G.I. Joe was receiving UI benefits from his Tier #1 enrollment on May 30, 2010. He had 3 more weeks of benefits left on which he was available to collect. G.I. Joe remained unemployed and collected his final 3 weeks of benefits from Tier #1. Since the deadline for extending to Tier #2 was May 30, 2010, G.I. Joe was not eligible and has not received any UI benefits since the third week of June when Tier #1 ran out. When congress approves H.R. 4213 extending the extension deadline from May 30 to November 30, 2010, G.I. Joe will then be eligible for enrollment in Tier #2 retroactive to the day after Tier #1 ended. If he remains unemployed consecutively for up to 14 weeks, he is then eligible for enrollment in Tier #3, because it will occur before November 30.

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    Hope06 07/17/2010 12:55pm

    Buddy: That is an excellent example, thank you. As an aside, when our real G.I. Joe’s and Josie’s come home, they most likely will join our ranks here as the unemployed. I hope we can keep these young men and women employed with whatever military group they are associated with. They should not have to be deployed to be employed. They deserve a better welcome home.

  • buddyg1 07/16/2010 3:46pm

    However, if G.I. Joe remains unemployed through all of Tier #3 (currently up to 13 weeks) he will not be eligible to enroll in Tier #4 because it will be after the deadline of November 30, extended by H.R. 4213. Congress would then need to approve an additional extension beyond November 30 in order for G.I. Joe to be enrolled in any further Tiers beyond what he received from Tier #3.

    It is important to note that anyone who has received the maximum of 99 weeks benefits has only been able to do so because congress has enacted the deadline extension enough times for the maximum to be reached in all tiers for that given case.

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    Abaratarrr 07/16/2010 4:09pm

    great explanation with one exception, tier 3 which is state extended benefits does not continue to pay out if the extenders bill expires, lots of people had there teir 3 benefits(state exteneded benefots) unexpectedly stop the week of June 2nd. but it looks like states are now paying people tier 4 before they pay tier 3 which is the state extended benefits.

  • Christine58 07/16/2010 4:04pm

    I think my hair will be completely silver by the time this mess is over
    Then there will be no money for hair dye if this gets stuck again; no hair dye, noone will hire a silver haired old lady. There goes any hope for any income.
    Really this is so stressing its not funny. I have ONE more check, then thats it.. no more income. I Hope and pray that somehow we can reach these senators that are voting no and get them to understand that we desparately need help. Truthfully, I know that will never happen. Ill be praying for all of us unemployed that we will recieve help soon.

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    Kerlynne 07/16/2010 4:08pm

    I had to let my hair go silver.. no money to dye it and no there isn’t any jobs for old silver haired ladies!!

  • Christine58 07/16/2010 4:10pm

    I was going to ask, If Reid had doubts about 4213 passing, wouldnt he of used the other bill? It sounds like he has a back up plan so something will pass?

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    buddyg1 07/16/2010 4:20pm

    I think there is a general feeling of comfort for the passage of 4213. It is all based on the last vote of June 30 on the same emended bill. The only reason it did not pass is because of 1 missing vote from the late Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV). Of course there were a few Democrats who voted no with the majority of Republicans, but the difference was made up with yes votes from Sen. Olympia Snowe (R, ME) and Sen. Susan Collins (R, ME). I applaud them for changing their earlier no votes to yes votes due to the proposed amendments. They showed a lot of courage!

    So, now that the late Sen. Robert Byrd is being replaced with a Democrat who will provide the single needed vote, the bill should pass on the next go around. Of course, this is all contingent upon the fact that no Senator changes their mind from the last vote occurring on June 30. Snowe and Collins appear to remain committed to their last votes, so it looks good. (No thanks to Sen. Ben Nelson (D, NE) who has always voted no.)

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    Abaratarrr 07/16/2010 4:21pm

    stand alone bills have been proposed numerous times by both democrats and republicans, reid could of let an extension pass months ago but he has refused to allow for a vote on anything but 4213. Reid has said before 4213 or nothing, he is holding us hostage so he can get money for his pet projects.

  • voteoutdemintinsc 07/16/2010 4:33pm

    FYI…I am from SC and have always voted Republican. The Republicans in SC are pissed and upset over what is going on in Congress, and about the Unemployment. I have been unemployed since June, 2009. I have 2 Members in my immediate family as well that were layed off around the same time. Remember folks, we know who we need to vote out of office in SC, and we plan on doing it!!!

    Let me update yall(spoken very southern:)on the situation in SC for the Senate Race in November. We did’nt think we had a snowballs chance in hell of voting out DeMint because he was running against “dumbass action figure Green”. Well now we have a little hope…Tom Clements of SC was nominated by the “Green Party” and will be running against DeMint in Nov. Funny though, no media coverage on this. Check him out on facebook….We Republicans like him! Please help get his name out for SC!

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