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Update on Tuesday's Unemployment Vote

July 16, 2010 - by Donny Shaw

As some of you have noted in the comments, in my post last night on what’s been going on with the unemployment bill, I came to the wrong conclusion about which bill — H.R. 4213 or H.R. 5618 — would be getting a vote on Tuesday. Because, as I explained, Senate Democrats had been setting up the procedure for bringing H.R. 5618 to the Senate floor directly (skipping the committee process), I figured that was the bill they were planning to move forward with. However, shortly after publishing the post, new information was posted on the Senate calendar that indicated H.R. 4213 would actually be the bill getting a vote.

Here’s what it in the Congressional Record Daily Digest for Thursday about Tuesday’s vote:

A unanimous-consent agreement was reached providing that at 2:30 p.m., on Tuesday, July 20, 2010, Senate resume consideration of the amendment of the House of Representatives to the amendment of the Senate to H.R. 4213, to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to extend certain expiring provisions; that the motion to reconsider be agreed to, and Senate vote on the motion to invoke cloture on the motion to concur in the House amendment to the Senate amendment to the bill with Reid Amendment No. 4425 (to the amendment of the House to the amendment of the Senate to the bill), in the nature of a substitute.

This is the same exact motion and the same exact amendment that the Senate voted on on June 30. It was effectively filibustered then by a vote of 58-38, but, remember, Majority Leader Sen. Harry Reid [D, NV] only voted “nay” in order to preserve his right under Senate rules to bring the bill back up for another vote. If another senator had voted “aye,” Reid would have switched his vote to an “aye” in order to secure the 60 votes that are needed to break a filibuster. On Tuesday, after Carte Goodwin (Byrd’s replacement) is sworn in, the Democrats will have 60 votes to break the Republican-led filibuster and pass the cloture motion.

Once cloture passes, the Senate will then have to vote on passage of the “motion to concur in the House amendment to the Senate amendment to the bill with Reid Amendment No. 4425” within 30 hours. The Republicans could choose to keep the debate open for the full 30 hours, or they could let the Democrats proceed within the final vote sooner. It’s customary for the minority party to let the final vote happen shortly after cloture is invoked since passage only takes 51 votes and it has just been shown that the majority has at least 60, but the Republicans do stand to benefit by using up as much of the Democrats’ time as they can, so we’ll see.

Once final passage is secured in the Senate, the bill will have to go back to the House for a vote on a concurring to Senate amendment.

On May 28, the House passed a version of this bill that contained the unemployment insurance extension and several controversial tax provisions by a vote of 215-204. On July 1, the House passed a stand-alone unemployment extension bill (H.R. 5618) by an overwhelming 270-152. Given their ability to pass both a stand-alone UI bill and one that includes a bunch of unrelated tax items, they should have no problem passing the Reid Amendment. Besides the UI extension, it contains an extension of the closing date for the first-time homebuyer tax credit, which is fully offset by three non-controversial revenue items, details of which can be found here.

As soon as the House votes favorably on concurring with the Senate amendment, the bill can be sent to President Obama to be signed into law.

Now let me throw in this important disclaimer: This is all at the discretion of Majority Leader Reid and it is subject to change. As we know, Reid has been working simultaneously to have H.R. 5618 ready for a vote as well, and just because the calendar says H.R. 4213 right now doesn’t mean that is definitely what will happen on Tuesday. No matter what, it looks right now like there should be no problem with getting the unemployment extension signed into law by the end of next week. Keep checking this blog or subscribe to the RSS feed for updates.

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  • Christine58 07/16/2010 4:42pm

    Wonderful, I always wanted to be a hostage(joking)
    I am hoping beyond hope that noone has changed their minds.Lord knows Ive tried to change Senator Chambliss’s and Senator Isakson’s mind. I cant see why that the two parties cant come to some compromise. It seems to me that its either all the Democrats way or all the Republican’s way. There are a few exceptions to that Im sure, but is it always like this when the senate votes on something? I am still trying to figure out how politics works,being new to all this. One thing Ive learned so far, becareful who you vote for and know why you are voting for them!

  • rufusjuice 07/16/2010 4:57pm

    Folks, this was posted yesterday on unemployedworkers.org

    We need your help for one last push. Between now and next Tuesday, it is imperative that you keep calling and emailing both your Senators and Representatives to let them know how important it is that they vote yes on this bill. We need to hold all the votes together and get this done!

    I think we need to make a last strong push of calls and emails to Senators and Represetatives, especially Snowe and Collins to keep the vote together.

  • finzfan1313 07/16/2010 5:55pm

    I get so frustrated with all of this. I see where they have replaced Byrd’s replacement. So I guess they will vote on this next week. I don’t really care which bill they vote on as long as they vote to give us the extensions. I didn’t have the opportunity for them to send me a letter telling me that I wouldn’t get any more money. They just stopped it on June 5th. I have been laid off since 10-08, I have been looking for a job since then. I am not lazy, I don’t use or sell drugs. Now days there are alot more things I don’t do. Like eat 3 meals a day or have cable, or satellite. Tell me how the economy is supposed to get better with over a million people without money to spend? What a wonderful country we live in. I wonder what all the senaters are going to when they don’t get reelected in Nov? They still won’t have it as bad as we do. So one more week to worry.

  • sruthj217 07/16/2010 6:01pm

    >>
    We need your help for one last push. Between now and next Tuesday, it is imperative that you keep calling and emailing both your Senators and Representatives to let them know how important it is that they vote yes on this bill. We need to hold all the votes together and get this done!
    >>

    Wow, that cannot be underestimated enough.

    It looks like the Dems, Collins and Snowe know what they are doing and we have every reason to believe Reid should have his 60 votes to get closure on 4213 and finally end debate on the standalone bill. That is provided Reid does not change the bill from the 30th and keeps it the same.

    However every day that passes risks something happening – a scandal, a natural disaster, a teabag demonstration or even another death in Congress – that could ruin this bill and start it all over again.

    For this to go into August recess would be disastrous. There will be foreclosures. Please keep contact and don’t let up. For all our sakes and for the economy!

  • sruthj217 07/16/2010 6:11pm

    I’m waiting to hear on a job myself btw. If I don’t get the job AND we strike out on the extension, I think I may as well hang it up. That will be a hard hard week indeed.

  • SufferingMOM 07/16/2010 6:11pm

    Hi I have no internet, but I am at a friends house and thought i would take the time out now to express my gratitude to you all.
    I want to thank you all for all your support during these most difficult times. It has been because of you all sticking together and talking on this website, that I have pulled through without killing myself. I am grateful to you all, though some have been more kind than others. I just wish you all the best and remember to pray everyday. Its having FAITH, that keeps us all strong.
    I hope everyone gets their funds and are able to pay backed up bills and put food on your tables. But mostly that God helps our President guide this country out of what seems to be the beginning of the worst to come.
    I will keep you all in my prayers everyday.

    Again thank you all!

  • laidbackjt 07/16/2010 6:47pm

    Hats off to Donny Shaw. This is well done with the people in mind. Thank you for keeping us all informed.

  • beenblue 07/16/2010 6:50pm

    THINGS ARE SO BAD I GOT A PRE DECLINED CREDIT CARD IN THE MAIL, AND A TRUCK LOAD OF AMERICANS WERE CAUGHT TRYING TO SNEAK INTO MEXICO LAST WEEK, AND WHILE WATCHING THE T.V. AT A FRIENDS HOUSE, I SAW AN AFRICAN T.V. STATION`S COMMERCIAL " ASKING PEOPLE TO SPONSOR AN AMERICAN CHILD. " I HEARD THAT CONGRESS IS LOOKING INTO THE BERNIE MADEOFF CASE, THE GUY WHO MADE $50 MILLION DISAPPEAR, GREAT NEWS, HE`S BEING INVESTIGATED BY THE PEOPLE WHO MADE $1.5 TRILLION DISAPPEAR, I PICKED A HELL OF A TIME TO QUIT DRINKING…..

  • dedgar 07/16/2010 6:54pm

    Anyone …

    Does the current version of HR 4213 include a COBRA subsidy extension? I sort of remember them taking it out.

    I cancelled my health coverage in June because my monthly premium increased to $600+. I applied for a catastrophic plan with Blue Shield, but was denied. Because I didn’t exhaust my entire COBRA benefits I’m not protected under the HIPAA laws. The COBRA laws should help the unemployed, not hurt them.

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    beenblue 07/16/2010 7:11pm

    THAT`S A GOOD QUESTION,THESE BILLS ARE LIKE THREE CARD MONTE, OR FIND THE PEA UNDER THE CUP ROUTINE. I WAS FACED WITH THE SAME SITUATION, AND ENDED UP A PRIVATE PLAN WITH BLUE SHIELD FOR $1,250- JUST FOR MYSELF. CAN YOU FEEL THE LOVE ?

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    dedgar 07/16/2010 9:36pm

    Ouch! Are you really paying $1,250 per month for health insurance?

  • Kerlynne 07/16/2010 6:59pm

    REMEMBER NOVEMBER!

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    beenblue 07/16/2010 7:18pm

    SAY IT LOUD, AND SAY IT CLEAR !!!!!!! I`M LEAVING ON EVERY CONGRESSMAN`S WEB& E-MAIL ADDRESS I CAN DIG UP !!! REMEMBER NOVEMBER !!

  • beenblue 07/16/2010 7:28pm

    CAN YOU IMAGINE 15,000,000,000 REMEMBER NOVEMBER`S HITTING CONGRESS, WERE BIGGER THAN THE TEABAG MOVEMENT, AND WE GOT A REASON TO BE PISSED OFF. IN MY DREAMS, I SEE THEM AFRAID OF US, FOR A CHANGE.

  • dragonmatrix 07/16/2010 8:10pm

    Does 4213 have the retro pay in it like 5618????

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    Kerlynne 07/17/2010 1:13pm

    both can have the retro pay but neither of them have the addtional weekly amount of $25. which sucks!

  • mikes1lakerfan 07/16/2010 8:31pm

    Joe Manchin can be blamed for slowing the process on this bill. He knew what was what was going on and used the excuse of verifying legislative law to appoint an interim replacement for Senator Byrd. He didn’t want to screw himself out office by requesting a special election. He should have just appointed himself Senator when he had the chance or get the hell out of the way. As for Harry Reid, he’s to blame too. He could have kept Senate in session back on Thursday July 1st and not let any Senators leave for 4th of July break until Senate had a resolution bill for UI Extension. I bet there would have been a couple of Rep. Senators that would have changed their opinion on how to fund an UI bill.

  • mikes1lakerfan 07/16/2010 8:35pm

    But not all middle & poor class Americans will. People are already starting to commit suicide; crime is on the rise on a national level. What’s happening is you’re either going to be rich or poor.Most politicians and government officials that work in Capitol Hill are considered upper class because of the salaries they are GIVEN & not EARNED.I think they only care about how they stand to make more money for themselves, friends and family by whatever ties they have to current & future bills, foreign & domestic policies.I don’t think both Democratic & Republican Senators are really concerned about the people that are truly affected by UI extensions that have stopped.I think they are trying to do just enough to keep themselves in office and the money pit going since this is an election year.

  • mikes1lakerfan 07/16/2010 8:35pm

    If each bill that passes in congress for UI Extensions roughly costs about 34 billion and the bill that passed for bailing out the banks and financial institutes was estimated about 750 billion.That means congress could pass about 22 UI bills to equal the bill that bailed out basically Wall Street.How about bailing out the AMERICAN CITIZINS!I know people are concerned about the deficit but I’m tired of hearing the Republican Party in congress keep giving the excuse that we are passing on debt to generations to come.Maybe this is true for THEIR CHILDREN AND THEIR GENERATIONS to come because these Senators and people they surround themselves are wealthy and will survive this.

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    Kate212 07/16/2010 9:44pm

    I have no idea how this unemployment works – I do know that I have been reading this site every day and it has been a life saver! Information has been the only thing keeping me at peace through this storm, of severe poverty I don’t know if I should send my resume out because it has my phone number and my phone is currently cut off – so its the catch 22 with unemployment right.. need a phone to get a job.And perhaps train fare but when it comes to feeding your kid or taking the train, you feed your kid.. its a sad day.. And i know i am not alone..
    I do have a question does anyone know if you have exhausted your benefits like received the 26 weeks + 20 extra if i will be able to get another extension? Is that moving into a new tier? I get confused over the language- I am trying really hard to stay informed. If anyone can clarify, when i call ue they say i still have a valid case.. any info would help..

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    mikes1lakerfan 07/16/2010 9:57pm

    what state do live in?

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    dedgar 07/16/2010 10:04pm

    Sounds like you have exhausted Tier 1. If Congress passes either HR 4213 or 5618 you will begin the Tier 2 extension.

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    mikes1lakerfan 07/16/2010 10:11pm

    This is how it works in Cali there are 5 extentsions. The 5th one is called Separate FED-ED Extension
    UI Benefits Provided This Recession UI Claims Maximum Weeks of Benefits Provided Deadline for Starting This UI Claim
    Regular UI Claim Up to 26 weeks of benefits Once someone becomes unemployed
    1st Tier of Federal Extension Up to 20 weeks of benefits May 23, 2010
    2nd Tier of Federal Extension Up to 14 weeks of benefits May 30, 2010
    3rd Tier of Federal Extension Up to 13 weeks of benefits May 30, 2010
    4th Tier of Federal Extension Up to 6 weeks of benefits May 30, 2010
    Separate FED-ED Extension
    POTENTIAL TOTAL MAXIMUM BENEFITS Up to 20 weeks of benefits

    Up to 99 weeks of benefits June 6, 2010, last payable week is June 12, 2010

  • Hope06 07/16/2010 10:09pm

    Aw man. Sean Penn. Like him as an actor, but I think his timing sucks today. He is asking all Americans not to forget about Haiti. I would like to help anyone in dismay, however; now is not the time, Sean Penn, to ask unemployed Americans to help when we cannot get help ourselves. Poor timing. That’s all. Go to your celebrity friends and other people of wealth to help this worthy cause. Go to your friends and see if any of them would be hiring, so we may someday be able to continue to help our fellow human beings. Please let the U.S. Government try to help its own citizens, so that perhaps one day, we may be able once more to contribute to causes such as this.

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    mikes1lakerfan 07/16/2010 10:23pm

    I just watched abc 7 new in Sourthern Cali and did a story on Haiti and was reporting just a very, very small percent of the biilions of dollars raised has been used. The goverment and other associations collecting money still have the funds. It’s crazy. They showed this little girl who needed some Antibiotics but was unable to get any and her condition has turned for the worst and the kicker is that showed several and I mean several warehouses full of food and medical supplies that have been sitting since January. How F_cked up is that. Check out the story on abc news Los Angeles.

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    understanding 07/17/2010 12:56am

    I was looking at Washington Week in Review, yesterday. Their talking heads admit that there has been nothing done to help the baby-boomers who are getting hardest hit by job losses.

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    Hope06 07/17/2010 10:16am

    Mike, I’m with you! I’m just saying Sean Penn’s timing sucks. When millions of Americans are unemployed, such as you and me, it’s not the time to ask us to donate what we do not have. For me emotionally, (I can’t speak for other blogs)it hurts my heart that I am no longer able to donate as I have in the past. I worked for a charity organization! In your comment, if you took out the word “Haiti” and replaced it with the “U.S”, the scenario stays the same, just different countries. It is not only poverty stricken other countries now, as the U.S. is becoming one of those countries. So many families are now displaced, homeless, and hungry. Humanity is Humanity, period. Our children are going without medical attention. Hell, I’m going without medical attention. We need to get our house/government in order so we may get back to helping anyone in need on this planet. My point again, was just that his timing was off, not his cause. Peace.

  • buddyg1 07/17/2010 4:49am

    Is the current version of 4213 retroactive like 5618?

    Does anyone know?

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    understanding 07/17/2010 6:36am

    The Congressional GOP had gotten called out by President Obama on his Saturday address for holding up the Unemployment Benefits Bill. It is being tweeted right now on twitter so I don’t know which bill was being addressed.

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    Nikikins 07/17/2010 6:38am

    According to this article (which, I know is a bit out of date..), 4213 IS retroactive:

    http://cnmnewsnetwork.com/119834/unemployment-extension-and-hr-4213-tier-5-and-tax-extenders-bill-senate-bill-updated/

    However, it could’ve changed between now and when that article was released, but I’m hoping it hasn’t.

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