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Changing the Senate's Tax Bill

December 13, 2010 - by Donny Shaw

The Senate is now in session and they are about to start voting on Obama’s plan to extend the Bush tax cuts for all income levels in exchange for extending unemployment benefits for 13 months, and some other stuff. It’s expected to pass easily and will be sent to the House for follow-up action, probably on Wednesday. House Democrats have pretty much given up on the idea of walking away from the deal, which they almost unanimously disapprove of, and letting the tax cuts expire. Instead they will hold votes on amendments and see if a majority can agree on any changes. If not, they’ll pass it as is.

National Journal explains how the House will choose amendments to vote on:

Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., today said it is “inevitable” that House Democrats — who last week refused to take the tax deal up for a vote — will compromise on the package. But Hoyer said he expected liberal House Democrats will try to amend the Senate bill, noting that many are targeting the size of the estate tax breaks. Hoyer said they have caused “much consternation" in his party’s ranks.

Discussions on how to make such a change to the Senate bill are under way. Options include splitting off that facet of the bill so that members can vote on it separately, or an amendment to the main bill.

The House committees on Ways and Means and Rules will have a chance to suggest amendments to the Senate bill. If they do “we will have votes on those amendments," Hoyer said.

If any of those amendments pass, the bill will have to go back to the Senate for another vote. But there may be enough support for the Senate-passed bill from House Republicans and retiring centrist Democrats to keep it from being amended. Opposition to the tax compromise is also growing on the right, however: A leading tea party group, the Tea Party Patriots, launched a petition drive against the tax deal today.

The members of the Ways and Means Committee and the Rules Committee will make the first decisions about what will and won’t get votes. For an amendment to be considered, it will first have to be proposed by a member of those committees and then will have to be approved by a majority vote from the committee. This is what is known as a structured rule. No amendments will be allowed from the general body on the House floor, just those pre-approved by the Rules Committee. If it comes out of the Ways and Means Committee, the Chairwoman of the Rules Committee, Rep. Louise Slaughter [D, NY-28], pictured above, will also have to agree to include it as part of the rules package for the debate.

So, these are your key pressure points right now for changing the bill — the 41 members of the Ways and Means Committee and the 14 members of the Rules Committee.

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Comments

  • tomjw 12/13/2010 10:33am

    i also hate giving all these tax breaks to the rich,but i havent seen any actual projected amount of deficit dollars compared to the 860 billion(with the tax breaks to the rich), if the taxes for the rich were not extended.why is there no dollar amount being talked about ,so the average person can at least see the difference(in actual dollar bills) what the deficit would be !then maybe we could all make an intellegent analysis of this tax break to the rich issue!

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    nancym 12/13/2010 6:40pm

    This has been reported many times in the last few weeks. The added amount for the tax cuts for the wealthy alone come to around $60-70 billion per year, according to all the sources I’ve seen. There was a study online (sorry, don’t have the link at the moment) showing that most optimistic offset of any possible stimulus to GDP (not sure if that really translates into actual jobs, all things considered) might offset the first two years of that added lack of tax income might equal out, but after that two year break point, with no major improvement in the economy, the added interest starts to balloon, as anyone with credit card debt understands, to a truly unsustainable amount.

    (cont.)

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    nancym 12/13/2010 6:40pm

    2)
    Even if the most optimistic results from those two years come true, what’s the added killer for most Dems objecting to the deal is that not only are we giving away the store for the next two years in tax income, but also included is a big estate tax give-back to the wealthy, along with a provision that poses as a wage-earner tax break, but what is in reality a cut in SS taxes that are paid in by workers. Just what we need, starve Social Security at this point in time! So for this “compromise” the poor and working poor get essentially zip, maybe a couple hundred if not zero, (the unemployed will still have to pay taxes on those benefits!) in exchange for about $450 added to the national debt for every man, woman, and child in the country. Such a deal.

  • seanurse 12/13/2010 10:41am

    LATEST NEWS ON DOLLAR AMOUNT WAS STATED BY A HOUSE REPRESENTATIVE WHO SAID 990 BILLION. MORE THAN STIMULUS BILL OR HEALTHCARE BILL,

  • beenblue 12/13/2010 11:34am

    I wonder if in the future, these will be considered the dark ages?

  • Iamamerican33 12/13/2010 12:38pm

    Now on MSN.com:
    The bill would provide a two-year reprieve in the tax increases scheduled to take effect on Jan. 1 at all income levels, reduce Social Security taxes for every wage earner in 2011 and extend an expiring program of jobless benefits for the long-term unemployed. The estimated cost, $858 billion over two years, would be added to already-huge federal deficits.

  • beenblue 12/13/2010 1:19pm

    I do not hear the bell of freedom, but rather the chains of slavery. In the currant rate of exchange much more will be lost than gained, but to the hungry, even the bitter is sweet. Our representatives in Washington care not about the annals of history, and how they will be viewed as servants to the wealthy, and not the Nation, for they are no more than slaves to the illusion of power and money, by those who use them, to do their bidding. And I thought prostitution was illegal for everybody !!

  • beenblue 12/13/2010 4:00pm

    Do you suppose that congress has it`s own S.T.Ds,I do ! It`s far easier to believe that, than to think that they lead by example. Take for example the new speaker, he`s orange !!! and half in the bag most of the time, and let`s not forget good ole Mitch, he`s right out of a Harry Potter movie. I don`t mean to be mean, but come on, these guy`s have`nt had an original thought of their own since Murdoch bought FOX, and crawled into bed with the right. Now don`t get me wrong the Dem`s have`nt been to awful smart either, they just got handed the golden ring of opportunity, and I truly believe their not adroit enough to get the maximum benefits that the 2% are willing to pay, and their servants, to keep the status quo. My god they make a pill for everything, can`t they make a pill to fix stupid ?

  • nancym 12/13/2010 6:40pm

    Thanks for posting those contact names, Donny!

  • malishammm 12/14/2010 6:00am

    HAVE THE ECONOMY BEEN MESSED UP FOR 99 WEEKS? WHY IS CONGRESS ACTING LIKE THE ECONOMY IS BOOMING AND PEOPLE ARE STILL WANTING TO BE ON UMPLOYMENT. IF THE ECONOMY HAS NOT RECOVERED IN 99 WEEKS AND U STILL HAVE PROBLEMS, THEN WHY WOULD THEY THINK THE CITIZENS OF AMERICA WOULDN’T BE HAVING EMPLOYMENT PROBLEMS TOO. IF YOU CAN IGNORE THE 99ERS, THEN U SHOULD BE ABLE TO IGNORE THE STOCK MARKET NUMBERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE WITH 99 WEEKS OF BAD NUMBERS.

  • seanurse 12/14/2010 7:49am

    Just thought I would pass on my reply I received from the white house, our president. I recieved a recorded message to call a help hotline in washington for help with our delemmas as the white house has done all they can for the people on unemployment. In other words we are on our own, tuff shit they don’t care cause it doesn’t effect them they are rich and happy. well I can only hope god is watching and really teaches them a lesson on what the spirit of christmas is all about. I will continue to hope but I see no help coming unfortunatly. I see they are still debating the bill in the senate today. I also see they are giving farewell speaches as well, but they want to adjourn tonight for holiday recess and last day for the 111th session. i wish i had there work schedule.

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