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House Votes to Defund Planned Parenthood

February 18, 2011 - by Donny Shaw

The Republican House of Representatives took their latest shot at limiting access to abortions today by passing an amendment to their 2011 government funding bill that would defund Planned Parenthood. There amendment has some big problems, however, and it’s very unlikely that it will become law.

First, the Senate, which is still controlled by Democrats, will never agree to this. Some Republicans — namely Sen. Olympia Snowe [R, ME] and Sen. Susan Collins [R, ME] — have even said that they would oppose an attempt to block Planned Parenthood from receiving funding. Senate Democrats are confident they have the votes to block this.

The second problem is that it is clearly unconstitutional. Article 1, Section 9 of the Constitution forbids Congress from passing bills of attainder, i.e. laws that punish a specific individual or group that have not been given a judicial trial. The Republicans passed a similar bill of attainder last year against the community organizing group ACORN that resulted in the federal government being sued. The Republicans may want to repeat that, but nobody else does.

One more thing to be clear on here. Planned Parenthood does not receive federal funding for abortion services. That has been against the law since 1974. They currently receive funds for other health care services, like cancer screening and family planning. But abortion services are subsidized exclusively by private donors. This amendment is about killing Planned Parenthood, not about blocking public abortion funding. That’s already blocked.

By the way, the full roll call details are not yet available, but according to Politico, “The vote was 240-185 with 11 Democrats voting for the amendment, and seven Republicans voting against. One member voted present.”

UPDATE: The full roll call has finally been published and can be viewed here.

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Comments

Displaying 1-30 of 68 total comments.

itsmillertime 02/18/2011 3:01pm
in reply to KyleAbbott Feb 18, 2011 12:46pm

“invoke the Constitution when it benefits them”, funny that’s exactly what we think about Republicans.

Did what with Health Care last year?

With your “logic” we have commit murder through the death penalty, kill innocent men, women and children in Afghanistan, Iraq, support crooked cops, politicians, etc. Sounds like we’ve committed multiple federal crimes to me!

Yes pretty ridiculous comment isn’t it.

aliceinreality 02/18/2011 12:50pm

Glad to hear that it won’t be getting far. I’ve depended on PP for healthcare when I couldn’t find work, and I’ve been able to refer my sister to them for free birth control while she’s in college and can’t afford her co-pays.

PP saves lives and saves the government money.

Dayofswords 02/18/2011 8:14pm
in reply to KyleAbbott Feb 18, 2011 12:46pm

anesthesia is paid for by the patient. So is the doctor.

To go along with the commenter about your logic, if a school has a shooting, that means the school paid for the murders! it was their building after all, their teachers, their lights…

and like the other guy said Republicans are using the Constitution RIGHT NOW to attack the health care law, they also made it so laws passed must have Constitution reference on legality.
So you’re seriously complaining about liberals using the Constitution when republicans made it the rules to follow it when making laws?

If this was an attack on that other comment that used a similar first line, that guy was right, many times conservatives quote the Constitution to stop laws but will avoid it when they want to push their views, they take the good and refuse the bad.

KyleAbbott 02/18/2011 12:46pm

I love how liberals only invoke the Constitution when it benefits them. Congress did the exact same thing with health care last year! Dems were all for punishing those “evil” health insurance companies. And of course Planned Parenthood uses Federal money for abortion! Instead of paying for the actual procedure, they pay for the room, the lights, the water, the doctors, the surgical equipment and anesthesia. Sounds like ILLEGAL funding to me!

Dayofswords 02/18/2011 11:11pm
in reply to fakk2 Feb 18, 2011 4:34pm

actually the amendment blocks 100% of all fund to PP. 100% of those funds go to non-abortion services.

The fact actually is you are cutting only health services, nothing more cause the money is NOT going anywhere else, Title X is being defunded entirely.

Sarah01 02/19/2011 4:23am

Citizens need to stop looking to the government as a personal business transaction. To deny funding to a group/facility based on a personal developed form of generic classification towards abortion is recklessness. Not all abortions are for selfish reasons, we should all know this by now. Instead we should have empathy for the women who go through this procedure because of rape, incest or lives at risk. Reality is, there are laws already put in placed to prevent tax payers money for abortions; to go as far as “it pays for the light which is used during abortion procedures” is redundant and a waste of taxpayers money in itself. There will always be funding for items which some don’t like (ie. wars, church grants, death penalty, tax cuts to rich, etc.), but remember we try to create a society that’s respectful for all. Final note, if one can’t respect the women who chooses based on this personal generic classification, they will never respect the child the woman carries or did carry.

Dayofswords 02/19/2011 7:55pm
in reply to M4Finny Feb 19, 2011 4:18pm

that doctor was in no way connected to PP, give up that argument… what he did was illegal, what PP is legal.

ForAmerica 02/18/2011 1:35pm

I love how conservatives invoke the constitution when it benefits them. They don’t want the government interfering in our lives… unless you’re a woman. They don’t want to pay for abortions or the children of low income women… so they make it so there will be more of both. They complain about horrid back alley abortion clinics… so they make it so there will be more of those, too. In the mean time they’re all for tax cuts for the rich and famous, spending wasted money on birther lawsuits, and funding their tea parties.

Dayofswords 02/19/2011 7:54pm
in reply to fakk2 Feb 18, 2011 4:29pm

way to be original, that was a copy and paste from a prolife site.(and from the tactics prolife people take, it isn’t beneath them to lie to get their way)

Danielbh67 02/19/2011 10:26am
in reply to fakk2 Feb 18, 2011 4:29pm

The “new undercover videos” that were released were debunked and proven to be fraudulent. This bill is just an attempt to kill a business that SOME people don’t like the idea of. Regardless of how much good PP does they want to kill it for a perceived ‘evil’.

Dayofswords 02/19/2011 7:59pm
in reply to M4Finny Feb 19, 2011 4:15pm

Yes, so we can have only Fox news to watch, they neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeever lie or change the truth.

dbroncos 02/18/2011 2:36pm

Remember how free condoms on college campuses and stuff like that use to be so controversial? How is giving subsidized birth control any different? Newsflash the free condoms that i can get from my college are subsidized with your and mine tax dollars.

(To the conservative users, note that when i say free i studied economics, there is no such thing as “free”). Your and mine tax dollars go to preventing me from having a child before i am ready and then drain resources of society should i need aid before the time comes.

It goes to the theory of “an ounce of prevention”.

AlexisML 02/25/2011 2:07am
in reply to fakk2 Feb 24, 2011 3:42pm

The point of civilization is to improve the quality of life. “What’s wrong with not having anyones taxes pay for health problems?” The same thing that’s wrong with not having anyone’s taxes pay for anything else… infrastructure, education, police departments…“It’s not like we always lived that way”? That’s your justification? Well, in that case we may as well reject all forms of technology and be hunting-gathering nomads.

DeborahJBrown 02/19/2011 2:33am

De-funding Planned Parenthood is foolish at best and disastrous at worst. Low income women and babies should not be expected to give up birth control, gynecological care and prenatal care in order to pay down the federal deficit. Economic recovery won’t occur by assuring a lack of birth control, increasing the number of teen pregnancies without prenatal care, adding to the already growing problem of child abuse resulting from ill prepared and unsupported young parents especially while cutting back in related areas of social service and police. I hope this does not pass – it’s the least intelligent thing I’ve seen go through the House to date. Very, very SHORT-SIGHTED. The cost of clean-up from this folly would be astronomical. There are certainly more sensible places to cut a budget… like how about starting with Republican Representative Boehner’s pet engine project.

M4Finny 02/19/2011 4:15pm

Good. Let’s continue with defunding NPR and the United Nations as well.

Juuniper 02/25/2011 10:29am
in reply to KyleAbbott Feb 18, 2011 12:46pm

The cuts would eliminate funding for birth control, cancer screenings, and HIV testing, among other things.

According to Tracey Brooks, president of Family Planning Advocates of New York State, federal funding does not go to support Planned Parenthood’s abortion services.

Get your facts straight.

Dayofswords 02/20/2011 1:36pm
in reply to fakk2 Feb 20, 2011 4:47am
not everyone can be bother to read the hundreds of pages of the archive of debates, takes like 50% longer to read it than hear it, which unless you have dont have a life or it’s your job to, is way to long to keep.

and this was from pence with uncited information and citing only alleged cases. alleged =/= actually happen, it just means accused and last i checked, it was innocent until proven guilty which pence seems to he can judge guilt.

Dayofswords 02/20/2011 1:40pm
in reply to fakk2 Feb 20, 2011 4:39am

“Hopefully it’ll be spent to pay our interest on our debt”
well, that’s kind of the point in their bill.

you can not rely on donations to fix sudden change, there is nothing i have heard of that doubling what needs to be donated(in anything at this amount) has ever worked.

millionaires already give alot but 300million to fill from an already 300mil is ALOT, even to billionaires, and this is for every year. and those donating are normally not rich.

the whole point of going with donations and grants is to lower service costs, if you go to taking out the loss of funding on patients, you lose the whole point of existing. they are not a business, they are a NGO. they use the money they get, they don’t keep it as profit

they cant shrink cuase they would get less donations(less people affected, less people want to donate), then they have to shrink more and repeat, then just die because without funding to lower service costs and not raising price to keep stable, they WILL die.

Dayofswords 02/20/2011 1:52pm
in reply to fakk2 Feb 20, 2011 4:58am

I am prochoice, i typed like a whole paragraph…

something about most who are against abortions like war basically, Geogre carlin said it best ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvF1Q3UidWM&t=22 ) “if you’re preborn, you’re fine. If you’re preschooled, you’re fucked” and “they want live babies to raise them to be dead soldiers”

so it goes:
-9months to birth : your awesome
birth to 18: drain on society
18 to whenever: you’re amazing, now how’s your aim?

Dayofswords 02/21/2011 8:10am
in reply to fakk2 Feb 20, 2011 9:30pm

but you can not punish for for things not proven guilty, this is why bill of attainder exists when it comes to passing laws against someone.

fakk2 02/18/2011 4:28pm

The reality is that Planned Parenthood receives hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars from Federal funding sources other than title X, and our effort tonight is specifically to focus on denying any and all Federal funding to the largest abortion provider in America.

Sarah01 02/20/2011 6:30am

You may claim to be a watchdog but you can easily be as morally and politically corrupted as those you seek to be fraudulent. Especially, if you become too emotionally involved in an issue, then you thoughts and claim to be solutions become irrational and reckless. I realize that my taxes will go for things that I may not like, but then again I also realize the world does not revolve around just my personal moral principals either. If you don’t know the first hand what some of these women go through then you probably shouldn’t be commenting or making general classifications of them either.

Dayofswords 02/19/2011 6:48pm
in reply to M4Finny Feb 19, 2011 3:58pm

Asshole alert.

M4Finny 02/19/2011 3:58pm
in reply to aliceinreality Feb 18, 2011 12:50pm

Yeah, they save lives by killing babies. Apparently, the abortion doctor in Philadelphia who killed little live babies on counter tops with scissors and then kept their severed little feet in jars is your hero. PP is a murder mill and my tax dollars should not support it. You want your little sis to go and get free pills so she can sleep around? Good for you, but you can subsidize that nonsense, not the rest of us.

AlexisML 02/24/2011 3:20pm
in reply to M4Finny Feb 19, 2011 3:58pm

1) Sleep “around”? Maybe she’s only sleeping with “one” person, but doesn’t want to have children. Are opposed to recreational sex?
2)“Murder mill”? Planned Parenthood spends 3% of it’s budget on abortion. That hardly makes a “mill” for abortion.
3)Are you a vegan? Because if you aren’t, that would make you’re anti-abortion stance hypocritical.
4)By your logic no one’s tax dollars should pay for anyone’s self-induced health problems? Got the flu? Well, maybe you should’ve washed your hands more often? Got high cholestreol? Well, maybe you shouldn’t have eaten so much fatty foods? Got, diabetes? Maybe, you shouldn’t have eaten so much carbs.

Dayofswords 02/20/2011 3:32pm
in reply to fakk2 Feb 20, 2011 10:01am

for your #2
no federal money goes to abortion under the hyde amendment from the 70s, so this isn’t complying, it’s really not affecting

#3: as i said in another post, donations would need to double and most donated are middle and lower class, most can hardly donate as is. there really is not kept profit, it goes to services for next year, it’s profit is 1/7 of their federal, this CAN NOT keep it afloat.

and in your first post you forget the fact that no money has gone to abortions since the 70s

and gallup is annoying that i cant find the sample size…grrrrrr(rather important)

Dayofswords 02/20/2011 1:09pm
in reply to Abaratarrr Feb 20, 2011 10:19am

That doesn’t pay for the gas… and his car will be working for years afterwards. better than buying a new car later on though when it completely dies.

plus vagas is for entrainment, not health care like pap smears and cancer testing.

Dayofswords 02/21/2011 8:08am
in reply to fakk2 Feb 20, 2011 8:41pm

dude $2,400 is alot… I don’t even have that much period let alone to donate.

and most people who use or have used PP are low income so they don’t have 2,400 to donate either.

and most poltics are funded by insanely rich people to get certainly things passed to help their businesses, the average person who are affected by PP are not insanely rich.

Dayofswords 02/19/2011 7:52pm
in reply to fakk2 Feb 19, 2011 2:17pm

yes, it makes up 1 billion, 1/3 is federal(state/local level varies in what they add), 1/3 donations and 1/3 money from services.

the amendment blocks funds from going to PP but also ends basically all Title X funding, the money taken away from PP is not going anywhere.

fakk2 02/26/2011 10:05am
in reply to AlexisML Feb 25, 2011 2:07am

@AlexisML,

How can you extrapolate 1 comment about health care to a “new world order”? Isn’t that a little bit out of context?

To pay for infrastructure & police departments, it wouldn’t take much in taxes. Since the states have the police powers and the federal government has interstate commerce powers, I can understand these 2 taxes. But education? C’mon, I think we both know education spending hasn’t increased the quality of education over the last 40 years. If we were showing massive improvement, then fine, tax us because the system works. But the system doesn’t work and it shows.

How about this for justification: It’s bad spending. EPA, FDA, Dept of Ed, etc. They’re useless. They hurt more than they help, and they should be shut down. I know it’s a simplistic view, but I only have 1k chars.

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