I find it interesting that kyou accuse others of being “dingbats” from the protection of anonymity.

Hoo Hum….another blog sight….more hatred, more cursing one another, instead of rational discussion. You people REALLY need to get a life !

Response to:
“The bill does not say how the US will do this and it certainly does not place any tax or other mandate on the Gov’t.”

unless the president is going to work on his own time, in a donated office using donated funds, it’s tax money. the government is not a charity, it takes your money and spends it on whatever it does. It owns nothing but debt, which is always passed along to us and ours.

So again, if you want to help people in other countries, go there and “fix” them. Be their leader, boil their water, show them how to find food and build shoe factories, bring condoms. Keep a list of all the poor souls you’ve helped and you may be able to get it deducted from your taxes, or it may get you into heaven—either way you won’t know til you try. Lead by example.

ABNU (anonymous but not unknown)

PS The only people who should even think about supporting this are people who have already spent years as an “in-country” volunteer for a foreign aid charity. To support it otherwise makes you a lazy hypocrite IMHO.

This Bill is Anti-American. It NEEDS to be voted DOWN. It VIOLATES the Constitution of The Unoted States. Americans need to be able to defend themselves from an opressive Government, which appears to be raising it`s ugly head since the presidential election results.

I Believe we should cut off all foreign aid and take care of our own CITIZINS! Having lived overseas for many years the more money the US gives the more we are bad mouthed. Let’s stop any funds for a few years and see how their song will change. The United States cannot be the keeper of the world. Our own lifestyles will go downhill as well with all this debt. Is that what all the bleeding heart liberals want?

They’re right, at least about Mormons being Christian.

We are sick of taking care of everyplace in the world but our place. I refuse to say “Homeland” as that’s not an American term.

We have the best government (crooks) money can buy.

WHAT IS MEMORIAL DAY?

My years whirl past me. Swirling. Dry, broken grass hovering in a
spring breeze. Can I remember my experiences in war? Hardly. Fighting
for my country, my youth invested, seems such a long time ago, and so
unimportant. The calendar this year marks Memorial Day on the 30th of
May,2008. Have I lost something? The traditional Memorial Day, also known
as Decoration Day, is on the 30th of May. This observed Memorial Day on May
29th coincidentally allows for a national three day holiday. Such is
commercialism’s capitalistic American display. But why do I feel so
stricken, like I have abandoned old friends from long ago? Their ghosts
consort with my floating years, and their spirits coast around my presence.
Another three day holiday! Memorial Day! Maybe me and the kids can go
camping? Or, to the beach? Memorial Day is fun! This is the
inconsiderate, thoughtless approach to this meaningful, and consecrated
moment representing one three hundred and sixty-fifth of our year. What is
the meaning of Memorial Day? Is it merely a three day escape from our
worldly duties? Or, is it the official beginning of summer? Is selling
more hot dogs at the ballpark the overriding clarification? Many souls,
sacrificed in war, in duty to America, are wandering. They drift in a
heavenly place, minus their future here upon earth. Tomorrows were forfeited.
Given up so our nation would invigorate free souls, aspire them to
freedom, and justly allow their lives lived as they prefer. Raising
offspring above restrictions, as they desire. Those lost lives giving we,
the living, what we want freely. Those are the souls we respect on Memorial
Day. This means it is a sacred day. Without retrospect, sacrifice is
mute. Old Glory does not wave by accident. It flutters in the spring air
revealing honor. The color red represents the blood bloom from those who
fell, those who clawed, those who cried in horrible pain. Those who died
fast. And, those who died ever so slowly. They did their duty. When I see
Old Glory waving on a sunny, end of May day, the pigment red gushes from
millions of souls, floating, not with us, anymore. They are amongst our
heroes, cajoling with angels with their champions, conquerors and
commanders. Friends and loved ones gather, over the rave, witness to those
who gave more than anyone should be required to relinquish. They did not
want to yield. They were in the wrong place at the wrong time, and when the
moment harshly struck them their fatal blow, they cried for their mother, or
their friend. Then there
were those, many of those, who knew exactly what they were giving. They
moved forward knowingly. They lost their lives so their mission would be
accomplished. Fools! Some intellects can say that. One would have to be
an imbecile to give up life, no matter what the cause. For a flag? Futile!
For a country! More pointless! For freedom! What freedom is there in
mortality? Yes, fools they may have been, but their numbers add up in an
awesome display of American loss! Veterans’ Cemeteries, white badges
sailing row after row after row upon green grass, almost never ending,
creeping onto the horizon. Constant reminders of the devastation of our
human treasure. Mothers’ tears, enough to fill an ocean to overflow.
Sweethearts, broken hearted, reading telegrams. Sons and daughters, many
unborn, wakening at birth to a devastated family suffering from a victim of
war there no more. And what does all this macabre math equal? Memorial Day
is the correct answer. Few Americans know a person who died in war.
Their family trees have lost some leaves, falling as they fought in one of
America’s wars, or discarded in the peacetime military. We are a busy
people. We have business to capture. Our kids are in school. We have
chores. Mundane, or surrealistic. We are a spirited society, seeking
applications to improve ourselves and our communities. We are a helpful
populace, always there when the going gets tough to help those who have
suffered the tragedies of nature, whether a hurricane or a famine.
Americans are always the first on the scene worldwide bearing their gifts of
human spirit and abundance. This is why it is so puzzling that the meaning
of Memorial Day seems to lack substance to many of our own people. Even
with the day itself. Put back to accommodate a holiday schedule fixed by
some organism no one knows, yet powerful enough to do so, the day itself
lacks consequence to too many. Many who never knew a person who died in
service to America are wrought with the invisible pain of not feeling for
those who do. Americans take things for granted. We have so much. So
very much. Endless choices. These options are not available worldwide. Our
shelves are full. Unlike many in other nations of the world. So many are
empty or offer very limited selections. Those American fighting men and
women killed in battle whose souls are floating actually made available
these wondrous choices we have every day of our American lives. Yet, most
of our youngsters have no idea whatsoever what this means. They don’t learn
this in school. We must teach them. For without knowledge, they may end up
thinking, or believing, all these marvelous selections came without
circumstance. Minus anything. Equaling no meaning.
Our nation needs to halt and perceive the flags and flowers on our
Veterans graves on this consecrated holiday. We need to lift a common
voice of adoration to those floating spirits of our onetime American
Warriors, and extol them with a salutation. We have not come that far with
our technological miracles of this millennium to become crass. We still
need respect. Our backs can not turn from formality. Our eyes can not look
away from custom. Our voices must not resonate in silence against honor and
glory. To do so will leave us hollow, only to fill us with that which is
desolate and lacking potential. This is not the true meaning of Memorial
Day. The heartfelt significance requires reminding. Story telling. Wisdom
being passed on from our Veterans to our younger generations. An
interpretation certified by those who remember the horrors of war. Without
this core, our society can not remain genuine. It becomes contemptible. It
rots from within. These floating souls of our lost American Warriors are a
powerful force, for they live within our hearts. They constantly seek
justification for their contributions, and they are real within us. Such is
what our American substance stands for, where character is developed,
individually is guaranteed, and a community, a nation, survives.
America enters the 21st Century as the most powerful entity
humankind has ever experienced. America permeates this next century with
vast responsibilities. Our children must bear this promise. We can not
turn our backs on these bygone descendants, nor can we do so upon
ourselves. Memorial Day offers us the opportunity to express a moment of
solitude where each of us can personify in our own way what we feel. I
only speak for my myself, as one who has bared his soul to the dread of
war. So my father did, and his father’s father before him, and their souls
float amongst the multitudes. My mother and her mother held their Veterans
after they returned from war, tears streaming down their cheeks in gratitude
for their safe return. And there were those in my ancestry who did not
return from war. And their mothers’ tears soaked the pillows on beds for
generations to sleep upon. Their souls are the dreams that drift amongst
the floating, gathering at the end of May in the breeze of summer’s coming,
in the cool glass of lemonade at the child’s street side stand, in the
cheers at the ball game from the crowd rooting their team to victory and
enjoying the best hot dogs in the world. Let us all stop for a moment,
whether it is on the traditional day, or the observed Memorial Day, or even
at the end of May, and reach for those floating souls. Let us reveal to
them how much we cherish their sacrifice for our free people. Let these
memories harvest our recognition of the meaning of Memorial Day in a very
simple word. And let that word, simply stated be: THANKS!!!

The giving should be more American and less tax dollars going overseas. Iraq is winding down and the Congressmen who want to control foreign policy think that is done with US tax dollars going overseas. We need to keep the tax dollars in the US to help the homeless and poor.

This bill is not necessary. Although, helping out the world is nice, but I think that we have more things to worry about in our own country.

Pay African farmers. The government gets our cash and pays their farmers. Right.

Most of these countries can pay their own farmers fine.

http://voanews.com/english/2008-06-05-voa21.cfm

Ike, you start by saying no money will be spent, then you admit to 27 billion.

Not spent for reparations for Blacks, not spent to rebuild ghettos, not spent here for any reason.

“Just when I thought this nation couldn’t be dumbed down any more…”

Well, you for one could be a little better at math… 27 billion divided by 300 million Americans is not $27! Here’s a clue, it’s at least a million dollars each because, I’m fairly sure, 27 billion is bigger than 300 million.

…and if you give me my share directly, I promise I will hop on a plane and adopt 10 families, personally (as long as they like me—I will not adopt haters)*.

In any case, making pointless ‘feel good’ bills costs money. The people in Washington (duh, I think you smart people call them legislators) are not volunteers, so yes, this nonsense does cost money.

Again, you admit to 27 billion (with a ‘b’) dollars already being spent, so, I’m not sure where you get off calling anyone dumb. Being suspicious of government is never dumb.

I doesn’t matter that the bill is not the last step in actually spending the money. The bill that says the government can tap your phone without a warrant doesn’t actually target you in particular by listing your name and phone number on the bill, but you’re against that aren’t you? Now who’s wearing the tin foil hat?

As if the government doesn’t have better things to do than to listen your conversations. What’s that? Oh, it’s the principle of the matter? I’d like to agree with you brother, except:

“(because it doesn’t mandate spending a dime and it makes us feel good)”

See, that’s the problem, it doesn’t make me feel good at all. It scares me. So, if you support me in not threatening to take my money, I’ll support you in keeping your phone line, private.

I said it once, I’ll say it a million times, if you believe in foreign aid, use your money and go over there.

*Don’t force me to be a Christian, don’t force me to turn the other cheek and support people who hate me instead of Bush or the CEO’s of large corporations or their own leaders who live in luxury while the people starve. You keep talking about poor as if being in The States means I’m somehow immune from being poor. You’re not debating with the upper class here—we’re your neighbors—are you sure you want to break us? Because if you do, the only people left to help you are the upper class and something tells me you two don’t get along.

“he is a right wing hack funded by…”

Yes, we know both sides are forcing globalism on us. Clinton signed NAFTA.

“He targets the tinfoil hat crowd.”

You seem to know a lot about that crowd. I saw a movie where it took one to know one.

“Hoo Hum?” If your life is so full, why are you trolling the blogs?

But I thought H.R.1302 mandates this. Looks like you missed something.

Brigitte Bardot, Sushi, and a VERY strong millitary!

Oh, right. I mean, people like Stalin and Mao, who rejected all religions and even quashed it, did not harm humanity a bit.

It is not religion that has harmed people, it is people who have harmed people. And they’ve utilized whatever justification they wanted to do it. Until you learn something about Christianity, please refrain from commenting on it.

How can our government expect us to trust them when our congress is so secretive about legislation that proposes to disarm law abiding citizens. The gereral public dosen’t understand that crime is often the result of lax law enforcement in order to give the government an excuse to send in NATO troops to occupy the US. Such a proposal was being discussed during the race riots of the sixties. Result total government control. Again subjects not citizens.

This is another BONE head proposal!

Been trying to warn about this for months, before Obama got rammed down the throat of America only to get trashed by liberal nuts. So now what to do?

Is this the start of a one world government? Turn to Christ and REPENT! Or be left behind.

Live 8/G8. It’s not the British so we’re supposed to agree to having a percentage of our country’s GDP/GNP income tax taken and sent overseas without a vote in Congress? This is taxation of out country’s income for foreign governments. If it’s not their goevernments, it’s NGOs. The money taken out of our GDP/GNP income tax will be used by the governments and NGOs for their own people and the dollar getting to the guy on the street will be, maybe 15 cents and it won’t be cash. No one is getting the US GDP/GNP tax money, but friends of the administration.

Obama wants to play with Hollywood and Singers. Please. ‘yes we can.’ A new dem tax on our country’s income, so the President can pay off friends is ridiculous.

You are absolutely correct, there is NOTHING in the BILL. It is all fluff. But let’s get real; we can’t even take care of our own citizens in New Orleans. How do you think they would feel when our own public officials take valuable tax paying time to create a bill when we still have displaced families since 2005. Shame on us. Let’s clean up our own backyard before we stick our noses in other places.

America is the richest country in the world. We can promote peace by helping poor and very poor people in the world. We could pay for it easily if we stop the war in Iraq and use some of those funds to reduce poverty.

By the time the federal government withholds, income tax, FICA and Medicare, in addition to all the real estate and personal property taxes, sales taxes, school district tax, college district tax, federal highway tax, state and county road and bridge tax, sales tax, hospital district tax, etc. ad infinitum, our earned income dollars are squeezed to death at around the tune of $00.48 cents for every #1.00 of gross income we earn…and the so called government leaders have the gall to ask for more to send to foreigners, and subsidize illegal aliens here, and let hundreds of thousands of U S Citizens lose their jobs, lose their homes, and in many cases see families break apart and go begging?

This IS NOT what I spent 39 months fighting war in Southeast Asia for back during the 1960’s.

So in my opinion it’s time for America first and some good old fashion Jingoism for about ten years at least!

Obama has no right to try and take away our sovereignty and freedoms.. Creating a global tax for the United Nations to take yet an additional .7% of our incomes to feed the hungry on top of what we already give which is more than any other nation. This bill would give the globalists “UN” the right to increase that tax anytime they want, come into our countries and take away our guns, and gives them the right to control our seas and borders.. Is this the kind of change you people want..??? Your country controlled by the united nations…

The point of the bill is retarded, whether it mandates spending by the executive branch or not. The senate and Obama should be doing somehting wothwhile with their time and status, not introducing/passing/debating bills that as one loser in here says “makes us feel good”. It reinforces Obama and his ideology, which is to redistribute the wealth of this nation in a way that he sees is best. This completely contrary to the intent of our founding and is NOT in the best interest of this nation. Giving hand outs to the poor does not and will never end poverty it only drags others into it.

it’s gonna cost over $800 BILLION over 13 years!!! If you want to give money to other countries and poor people, that’s your choice (We have a couple Children’s International kids). But don’t take my money for your unConstitutional projects!!! I don’t care if you are Republican or Democrat…it’s illegal! Donate to a non-profit if you want to feel good. The money will be better spent anyway.