H.R.17 - Citizens' Self-Defense Act of 2009
To protect the right to obtain firearms for security, and to use firearms in defense of self, family, or home, and to provide for the enforcement of such right. view all titles (2)
All Bill Titles
- Short: Citizens' Self-Defense Act of 2009 as introduced.
- Official: To protect the right to obtain firearms for security, and to use firearms in defense of self, family, or home, and to provide for the enforcement of such right. as introduced.
This Bill currently has no wiki content. If you would like to create a wiki entry for this bill, please Login, and then select the wiki tab to create it.
Bill's Views
- Today: 78
- Past Seven Days: 766
- All-Time: 89,924
97%
Users Support Bill
4986 in favor / 168 opposed
Write Your
Representative

U.S. Congress - H.R.17 Citizens' Self-Defense Act of 2009



Sort By
Comments Feed ?
What's this?
OpenCongress comment boards are an open forum for discussion. Let's build public knowledge about Congress together, so please keep the discussion civil -- no harsh language, subject to our community Comment Policy. Do not post any information here (for example, your name or email) that you do not wish to be public.
Filter Comments to a Rating of at least
What's this?
The Ratings Filter allows you to determine how many user comments to view on pages here on OpenCongress. Setting the filter higher (towards 10) allows you to see only the comments rated "most helpful" by users, while setting the filter lower (towards 0) allows you to see more comments on a page.
Displaying 1-30 of 240 total comments.
This bill upholds the Constitution, HR-45 does not. IF our President is to keep his oath of office, this is one he should support. Let's see if he will.
to all...address HR45 with your congressmen and tell them to attack it with a patriotic vigor not seen in some time. this bill is the opening salvo of what will become endless attacks upon our second amendment rights during the next four years. we need bills like hr17, not gun licensing b.s. like hr45!!! deo vindice
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb discussing what to have for dinner.
A Republic is a well armed Lamb ! !
I'm all for this one, although how many ways do you have to spell out the right we already have.....The 2nd Admendment. Let us all hope that all the states will adopt the "Castle Doctrine".
It's about time I see some legislation that preserves rights rather than limit them and take them away.
quote"why the Fed's have not adopted this yet is beyond me"
because our government is no longer "by the people". Our government is now making laws that THEY think are best for the people. It dosnt make a difference how much we email or call. our laws are still dicided upon by individuals.
Among the natural rights of the colonists are these: First a right to life, secondly to liberty, and thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can.
Samuel Adams
I hope this one goes through. We have a pistol for defence of our family. If that right is not defined and defended- our chance of protecting ourselves and our children will come to a complete hault.
You are so right. Every time we let our elected officials know how we feel about an issue, and what we believe, yet they vote opposite to that is another step towards socialism.
Although I completely agree with this bill as well as support it, I am not accepting of the fact that we need to clarify our second amendment RIGHT. This is preposterous to have to ask for our GOVERNMENT to allow us to live by the rights that they are supposedly "sworn" to. If this doesn't go through what will anyone here do about it? Will you petition? Will you impeach those who denied this bill? Or will you all sit back and let another part of your lives be controlled by the government? This is our time to change this weak country, it needs to be a country of educated, involved citizens, not a country of irresponsible naives who sit around and play video games while other countries are getting smarter and stronger and more disciplined.
Thomas Jefferson For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well organized and armed militia is their best security.
When the country forgot we were a Republic and started calling America a Democracy is when we gave away the government !! A Republic is a government of the people where the people decide, A democracy is a government where the people give away their rights and let someone else decide what is best for them ! (so they need not bother till they are slaves and it's too late)
I think what Shootest45 means is a Republic is a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote.
And Democracy (as it exists now in the U.S.) is a form of government in which the supreme power is exercised by elected agents under a free electoral system. Here, the elected agents decide what's best for the electorate (i.e. the people).
Bottom line... Our democracy has allowed government to assume supreme power over us. This happens when too many people think the government is
the answer to our problems. When in fact, the government has caused most of them.
I also support this bill, but I have a hard time understanding why this bill is even needed. Do we really want to start acknowledging that we actually need these measures to justify the second amendment? What is to stop some other greasy politician from amending this bill in the future to change its intent?
finally some one has had the fore though to bring what some states all ready acknowlege to the Federal Level. The "Castel Doctrine" is common sense understanding that if my life, the life of my family or another innocent is in immediate peril; I can Kill you weather it's with a 22 handgun, a .50 BMG Sniper Rifle, or a machety and it is gaurenteed under the 1st amendment of the constitution.
currently states like florida already offere freedom from prosecution in justifiable defensive use of dealy force; why the Fed's have not adopted this yet is beyond me.
Molon Label - live free.
I don't know if it is even possible, but Obama and Co. would like to implement International Law norm....Now I watched as he bungled the "support and defend the Constitution" oath of office. There are some that think that the International Court and Laws that the EU tried to get the EU member nations to accept would trump our constitution (by the way, no EU member has yet adopted them). Maybe it's a good time to affirm our rights in yet another bill such as this to keep it on the front burner.
This bill does not fit the nation we live in now and that's why it will never see the light of day. Our society is so focused on the idea of being politically correct and everyone holding hands. This bill would destroy the perfect America we have made. To think people would walk around with guns for protection is just not right. "I'm being sarcastic!"
Once we lose the right to bear arms we are slaves to the government. Hitler banned personal ownership of guns and look what he did. Our president Barack "hussien" Obama is trying very hard to fill the shoes of Hitler and other dictators. It is up to us to keep our firearms and if that requires us to fight for the right then we should. Many men and women since the founding fathers have died for us to keep this right, it may be getting time for us to sacrifice in the same way so that our kids will have a country to call home in the near future.
apache01 and you are an idiot the south was supported by england because they wanted cheap cotton and tobacco until they realized that a victory with the south was not possible then they withdrew support. You are the one that needs to research history bud because you must have forgotten when and why the 10 amendment was put into the bill of rights, that the powers not delegated expressly to the federal government by the constitution was given to the individual states with supreme power left to the people to determine if the government and its laws were right for them. Now, we lost a lot of power when the the great depression hit in the 30's because Roosevelt was passing his alphabet soup bills that made a lot of state responsibilities federal ones.
This to me, seems to be about as useful as hr 45. Another useless bill that will either impede in the people's freedoms, or support those that would cause harm. Why do we need this bill? Apparently the hr 45 and hr 17 authors must be related. They were lying around smoking pot then decided to write something stupid. (Stupid-the act, or lack of, doing something one knows is necessary/unnecessary). This bill is unncessary.
Is that so you can shoot the unemployed, homeless and those without insurance when they ask for help.
Exactly, that is why we need to get involved in making sure we take names and kick out the ones that go against what the American people want. Let people know about this web site and how they can follow the bills and see how their elected officials have voted on a particular subject. Lets all make a difference this comming election, take back our Country. Take back our freedoms that have been given away to big government throughout the years. How many politicians have gotten rich by selling out America? Thats why they go into little rooms behind closed doors to make deals where the American people can't see what they are doing. They are corrupt and need to be delt with next election!
Yes this is true. But you also need to take into account, that the "Electoral College" here, and NOT the popular vote of the people, decides who the President is! Why do you think so many of the Presidential Candidates go to the states with the largest number of Electoral votes first, then TRY to make it to the states with lesser numbers of Electoral votes after they've first made it to the larger numbered electoral states? It's all lies and deception. Like a bill passing the Senate, then just before it's voted on in the House, somebody attaches some bill that had been shot down by all previously on its own, so it will get through. All these last minute add ons should be considered a Criminal Action no matter who does it, or what their reason is for doing it. That's how our government has STOLEN so much power over all these years since our countries conception.
Isn't this what the 2nd Amendment is? We don't need new laws we need to live by the Constitution! I can't believe this. It is sad that we have a new law that we already have.
So is this like what we have in Florida in terms of "Self-Defense"? Took me a few moments to realize that this bill doesn't necessarily apply to me, but I can see why the rest of the states would want this. I say that our great republic should vote this is, as in the constitution we have the right to arm bears and carry guns. What's the point when you cannot use them.
This bill is so heavily sopported that it will die because of no action. The Dem's will not bring it to the floor!!!!!!!!!
Shootest, I believe that you and I may agree on many things. This, being one of them. I once heared the saying that a politition's first job was to get elected. A polititions second job was to get re-elected! I have to disagree with one thing you said. What you said is not a step towords socialism, it's a step towords Fascism! The constitution couldn't be any more clear; The right to bear arms shall not be infringed. Too many voters in this country want the government to govern thier lives so they don't have any personal accountability. Funny how, as I age, I drift further away from the republican party (but not to the left). The libertarians are making more sense to me every day They are the TRUE constitutionally focused party.
Treaties cannot supersede the fundamental rights of the Constitution.
“This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.”
Did obama actually take 'the oath' to defend our Consitution? Was the bumble up really a bumble up or was it to negate protecting the constitution....just one crazy thought...
How about you post some links to your polls rather than spouting your mouth. Not that i would put much face value on some liberal tainted poll anyways.