U.S. Congress - H.R.2401 No Fly, No Buy Act of 2009
H.R.2401 - No Fly, No Buy Act of 2009
To increase public safety and reduce the threat to domestic security by including persons who may be prevented from boarding an aircraft in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, and for other purposes. view all titles (2)
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- Short: No Fly, No Buy Act of 2009 as introduced.
- Official: To increase public safety and reduce the threat to domestic security by including persons who may be prevented from boarding an aircraft in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, and for other purposes. as introduced.
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This from someone who thinks she’s god.
We already have laws that prevent bad guys from buying guns via legal means. Enforce the laws we have!
Wouldn’t this just be a way of enforcing the laws we have? It’s for people on the no-fly list.
I’m sure the 400,000+ people on the no fly list are all terrorists. Nobody knows what the “guidelines” are that get you on this list. By being on the list you haven’t necessarily broken any laws. They are “suspects”. That’s it. That’s not due process to the degree you can take away an individual’s constitutional right to own a gun. Sorry.
EXACTLY! Those lists are only as good as the people who make them up and we have seen how well that works! People get put on all kinds of lists by the gov’t with no concrete reasoning. This bill could mean that ANYONE who attended a Tea Party or wrote a letter opposing the presidents policies could be put on that list as an extremist and someone to watch. It’s a huge pile of stink!
There are many people with last names Smith, Jones, Brown, Johnson, Mohamed etc. who make it on this list. Often there are hundreds of other people with similar names who have to go through hoops to get on the plane. Even though their middle initial/name is different, they are routinely troubled.
So those innocent people would now be denied gun purchases as well? That doesn’t go along with the American concept of innocent until proven guilty.
Meanwhile the real terrorist is making a bomb, not buying a pistol.
Yet another pathetic attempt to deprive people of their rights with no due process in the name of public safety. These tyrants need to be deposed.
So do you disagree with the no-fly list, or forbidding terrorists from having guns? I think there’s a good argument for the former, but none for the latter.
This bill is very bad in scope-there is no due process and they want to rely upon a list that is very well known to have vast amounts of bad information on it. These people need to get a life and leave us alone-utilize the laws that are on the books, don’t make any more.
Absolutely CowboyRick! NO MORE LAWS! Can we somehow FREEZE CONGRESS and make it stop???
Remember; it’s congress that makes the laws. Not the president. Vote ‘em out of office in 2010. Both sides are gulity. Vote out the top 5% of both parties. That’s a good start.
GOOD COMMENT, NL—that’s why I’m GLAD those sons’a’bitches hid Ron Paul from the Real Presidential Candidacy stage. And I was one of the first guys on the bandwagon, when I heard the news break that Dr. Paul had announced.
I don’t think they understand the impact of how badly these geniuses F*cked themselves, by leaving one of the Only honest and committed voices in the legislative process. Same with Dennis Kucinich. Go Ahead—TRY to hide the luminaries from The People. That only enhances my resolve to shine a light on the cockroaches like that dirtbag Senator from my state of PA, who just flipped parties.
Well if you like guns and enjoy the 2nd Amendment then you might not like the truth about Dennis Kucinich?
“Kucinich is currently drafting legislation that would ban the purchase, sale, transfer, or possession of handguns by civilians. A gun buy-back provision will be included in the bill.
“America is being engulfed in violence every day. Let’s show them we have the wisdom and the courage to come from our hearts to meet this challenge,” Kucinich said."
http://kucinich.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=62819
NL! This is NOT A SOLUTION!! Would people please wake up. The entire system is too far-gone. Every office at those levels have hidden protections in place, filters that keep the incumbents in office or replace them with like-minded puppets who will maintain the status-quo.
The entire system is flagrantly against the people, it’s unconstitutional, it’s hideously WRONG and has now become a danger to the American people.
Now let me get this straight: the federal government simply places your name on a list, and poof! – there goes your God-given, Constitutional right to keep and bear arms?
Figures something this blatantly un-Constitutional would come from McCarthy. Her sole qualification for office is that her husband was killed on the Long Island Railroad by crazed lunatic Colin Ferguson.
God didn’t give you the right to bear arms, nor was it the Constitution. The Bill of Rights did.
wrong, wrong, wrong.
The rights were considered natural, inalienable. The bill of rights was argued hotly because it was felt that these rights should not have to be recorded, since these rights were natural and if any were recorded, then by implication, those that were not recorded would not be reserved to the people. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights#Arguments_against_the_Bill_of_Rights
we have these rights by nature of the fact that we are humans. The Bill of Rights was put in place to restrict the Federal government from infringing on these rights, NOT TO GRANT THEM.
if the Bill of Rights granted them, then another amendment could take them away. thus the argument that they shouldn’t have been written in the first place. These cannot be taken away. Any government that tries has overstepped.
Luke 22:36 “Then said he (Christ) unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take [it], and likewise [his] scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.”
It was the Constitution and the Bible that understands a human’s right to defend himself. In the days of Christ it was a sword, today it is a firearm.
They don’t even have to try you to put you on the no fly list. Remember that story a bit back of the toddler who was taken away by air port security and searched along with his mother.
Yet another Tyrannical bill.
Here is a thought! Lets put every single American on the no fly list. With this bill we then can stop then from owning a firearm. Now they are disarmed, time for TYRANNY!
Every day, my mood gets a little bit uglier by the gall of these snakes. I can only imagine there are about 50million others who are even more p*ssed off than me, and one in six REALLY p*ssed-off citizens is enough to get this thing done, I think.
Make sure to get this information out to all.
Listen folks they are beating around the bush. The government members are now in fear for their lives at the hands of armed mobs in the streets of the USA. I can’t even say that I blame them for that fear. They will bring the police, US Military and UN Military to bear against the masses rather than flee. The government is no longer in our control and frankly has not been for a good long time. The once Constitutional Republic of the USA has been overrun by communists. You will laugh and call me names for stating that but you can read it for yourself in the writings of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels called The Communist Manifesto.
Just search for “THE TEN PLANKS OF THE COMMUNIST MANIFESTO” on Google and READ. It is all there in the open. Look at the BILLS they are working on. At some point you must at least agree that something is “funny” out in DC. If this is allowed to go on much longer one day we will wake up in a camp or be murdered in a purge!
You’re ignoring key distinctions between an idealistic but likely impossible form of government and past broken implementations of that impossible form of government.
Similarly, Marx was a sociologist writing about people. You can like Marx the sociologist and socialist (and his ideals) and dislike Marxists for being idiots.
If I’m ignoring anything it would be you. You don’t understand the Constitution’s Bill of Rights and then you want to comment on a governmental system that calls, “The weapons with which the bourgeoisie felled feudalism to the ground are now turned against the bourgeoisie itself.” The destruction of the middle class and then all that remains are proletarians who are nothing more then slaves to the party (oligharchy). No you don’t understand God given natural born UNALIENABLE RIGHTS! So why would you understand Communism?
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed…”
Ted Kennedy was on the “no-fly” list and had a very hard time getting off of it. If he had a hard time getting off the list, how much harder would it be for us? You would be surprised how many are on the list and not know it. You can be mistakenly put on a no-fly list just because your name may be similar to someone else’s or be put on a list because of a criminal that lives across the street. McCarthy knows this very well, why do you think she wants this?
This country needs better than McCarthy, Emanuel and Feinstein.
CONGRESS MUST BE STOPPED! All they do is ‘make laws’ every day undermining the Constitution! WHY? What is the actual role of a Representative. I cannot imagine it’s to sit there creating thousands of new laws (‘legislation’) literally as fast as possible undermining the Constitution, taking away freedoms and endangering the safety/well-being of American citizens!!!! Was THAT the intent of the founders? Weren’t the Representatives supposed to REPRESENT THE PEOPLE—TO PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE?
WHAT THE H*LL IS GOING ON?!
WHY does Congress to even PROPOSE legislation that is blatantly unconstitutional? Isn’t their first (ONLY?) job to uphold the Constitution? Aren’t they required to see if these bills are constitutional FIRST? The 1200+ pieces of ‘legislation’ in this session alone are as far-removed from the Constitution as possible.
Once I stood back and looked, the entire system is ludicrous! A huge fraud being played out in plain sight WITH OUR MONEY, IN OUR NAME.
Here read it and weep…
“Sotomayor is a graduate from Princeton University, where her legal theses included Race in the American Classroom, and Undying Injustice: American “Exceptionalism” and Permanent Bigotry, and Deadly Obsession: American Gun Culture. In this text, the student Sotomayor explained that the Second Amendment to the Constitution did not actually afford individual citizens the right to bear arms, but only duly conferred organizations, like the military. Instead of making guns illegal, she argues that they have been illegal for individuals to own since the passing of the Bill of Rights."
Anything that’s said to be done for “Your Safety” or “The Children” isn’t.
Wow – I couldn’t have said it any better myself! Good post, Ocyris!
Game Plan Obama:
Place their name on the No-Fly List, deprive them of gun rights, make it so they can’t travel around, waste their time and money trying to get off the list, as they become more “anti government (anti-Obama)” then declare they are terrorists, use HR 2401, introduced this month, to suspend their right of habeus corpus, and lock them up without charges. You saw it here first. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/us/politics/21obama.html?hp By that right wing paper the NY Times no less.