U.S. Congress - H.R.2454 American Clean Energy And Security Act of 2009
H.R.2454 - American Clean Energy And Security Act of 2009
To create clean energy jobs, achieve energy independence, reduce global warming pollution and transition to a clean energy economy. view all titles (12)
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- Short: Safe Climate Act as passed house.
- Short: National Climate Service Act of 2009 as passed house.
- Short: Green Resources for Energy Efficient Neighborhoods Act of 2009 as passed house.
- Short: GREEN Act of 2009 as passed house.
- Short: Global Change Research and Data Management Act of 2009 as passed house.
- Short: American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 as passed house.
- Short: Safe Climate Act as reported to house.
- Short: American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 as reported to house.
- Short: Safe Climate Act as introduced.
- Short: American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 as introduced.
- Short: American Clean Energy And Security Act of 2009 as introduced.
- Official: To create clean energy jobs, achieve energy independence, reduce global warming pollution and transition to a clean energy economy. as introduced.
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And continuing to burn dead dinosaurs is refreshing and a new way forward?
You still believe that "dead dinosaur" storie?!
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My bad. Change "dinosaur" to "prehistoric plants and algae", and my statement still stands. Either way, it's no longer a good idea.
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agreed, Angel... not sure how to write you on this site (new arrival); is this the only way? I am at a_williams2047@yahoo.com Interested in your approach on "old failed ideas", and your take on who was "pushing" this Bill (as well as others). Write me if you can. Happy to be your "friend" here... Alan
NASA is one to talk, how much fuel do they waste going into space? Kind of like calling the kettle black. Also whats to say NASA isn't the primary cause, they go through the O-Zone layer every time they go up. Also have you noticed that we have bad weather days after they go up. I'm all for new ideas but I am not one for spending a ton of money doing so.
Not only that, but look how much space junk is abandoned in space polluting it up there. NASA is just a paid voice to express an opinion, simply because the voice carries weight with people, but may not really carry any thing truthful.
You can pollute space, get a brain. Space is nothingness. A void. How do you pollute nothingness?
Who told you that lie? Al Gore? SHEEPARD Smith, WOLF Blitzer?
How will we know when we have "defeated" climate change and can stop taxing and regulating? It will never happen! Just like the "War on Terror". How would you ever know when you have defeated "TERROR". They are both undefinable nonsense used as a tool to tax and regulate the American people. Collectivism is what it is. "We need to all sacrifice for the good of the whole." The problem is everybody will sacrifice but no one will ever benefit except the upper echelon who is orchestrating the whole thing.
I'm all for common sense solutions. Why don't we just plant more trees? They devour carbon dioxide and emit oxygen. I'm all for regulations that stop pollution, but not a tax that is a "pollution fee" that energy companies pay the government and simply pass on the charge to each and every one of us.
I agree. We need a solution and many people who oppose this bill ignore this. We need to not only plant more trees but stop wiping them out by over-developing.
On the other hand, this bill is no solution. It is a proposal that will affect the average American with over-taxation. We can't continue to sustain all of this spending! Doesn't any Obama-supporter realize that? Where is their discernment?
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"ME, ME, ME"
This is exactly what the Anthropogenic Global Warming movement is all about. Al Gore, undoubtedly the face of AGW, has huge stock interests in the CCX, the ECX, and the CNC. Respectably Americas, the EUs, and Great Britain's only carbon trading companies. People always complain when scientists who have no one to turn to for funding have to go to oil companies and then say that they have conflicting interests. Look at Al Gore! His business partner is David Blood of Goldman Sachs fame. They just got a lot of money from the bailouts. This makes it look like Al Gore is part of some giant conspiracy.
Are you kidding, have you even read the bill? They will create committees to oversee how food manufactures use energy and produce emissions. They will have to abide by new standards that will cost a lot of money that will be passed on to the consumer, same as gas will, same as car standards will, and energy standards will. Even home standards will change, imagine not being able to sell your home until you update the furnace and water heater in your home. It's more than 45 dollars and besides we wouldn't have to spend so much on gas if only the government would allow us to drill more in the U.S. We aren't all about me me me, we just don't want to go into a situation guns drawn without knowing everything that is going on, like the typical Liberal.
Tell me what is wrong with looking out for my best interest. When I decide to buy a car, I look at what is best for my family. I don't care if one car manufacturer "needs" the money more than another, I buy what is best for me. When I buy a house I don't care if it meets arbitrary government standards I make sure it meets my standards. I don't want to spend useless money to upgrade things because the government mandates it (and yes the sale price will increase when the government imposes their new restrictions). So tell me again, what is wrong with me looking at my position and me saying that this doesn't make sense for me. I don't believe in man-caused climate change so why should I be forced to live by your standards because you do?
GIANT LOLZ there. If I wish to contribute to charity, I will do so on my own will. Nobody should be federally mandated to contribute to (in this case "the prevention of global warming/climate change/whatever they're calling it now") your charity or anyone elses.
You mention "continually rising gas and oil prices" being a source of pain? Just THINK of what will happen when companies have to begin paying this tax. It won't be just "gas and oil" that will be rising any longer. Need to ship something? Oh noes! The shipping companies are evil because they have an enormous carbon footprint! Your $5.00 shipment just became $15.00. I'm almost certain I won't have a job any longer as the company I work for is almost certain to either shut down or pack up and move overseas due to the tax they'll end up having to pay.
This is a solution looking for a problem. I assume the problem will be "Government wants more of our money, how do they get it?"
You have got to have your head in the sand. Who else do you think is going to pay for any spending bill that is passed in congress? ME, ME, ME, that is why we are against most of them. The Obama administration has spent more money in the first 6 months than any other president. That is money that comes from me and you unless you are in the legislature. They have so many free perks that they do not pay taxes on that it makes no difference to them.
Ask any of them if they will be part of the new health care system or if they will continue to get free medical care for them and their families.
we have more trees now than we had when the pioneers were treking cross the plains. more concentrated and in back yards but there none the less.
Amen brother! I am appalled at this legislation which is going to pass on an enormous cost to the tax payer with a huge bureaucracy and tons of red tape that will not accomplish anything.
"The carbon level in the atmosphere is at an all time high for a period in our planets history in which it was acutally capable of sustaining life..."
Sure, if you don't include anytime before the ice age..... which was caused by an asteroid/comet hitting the surface of the Earth, throwing it into this erratic cycles of warming and cooling.. You could say that we exist due to an imbalance of weather, not in spite of it. We are still cooling than the Cretaceous period, when life on Earth was drastically reduced by previously mention event.
wonderfully said
They started calling it "climate change" because "global warming" was hard to argue when you had consecutive years of cooling. Carbon Dioxide makes up less than 0.05% of the earths atmosphere. To put that into perspective, it would be like someone pouring a cup of hot water in the ocean and saying they caused the entire ocean to warm up.
However, even if you buy into the bogus "science" that it is, this bill will do nothing to further your cause. Just take a look at the other countries that have already done the same thing and see their results.
as long as there are humans there will be influence. I think God knew what he was doing when he created this planet and it does have the power to renew itself in cycles. The cycles are hundreds and thousands of years, however, and none of us will be around when it actually happens.
I completely agree with your comment. If you take most peoples view on Darwin's Theory, we will be killed off by the planet in order for it to survive. The strongest right ? Well, Mother Earth is the strongest. But yeah, I think God knew what he was doing as well. This planet is amazing when it comes to protecting it's own "a**"
Same way Pluto was a planet and they changed that. What we fail to realize is that we know nothing and everything we do know is most likely wrong
That's why scientists call it a theory. All they can do is guess, I wonder does that make fortune tellers scientists?
Carbon levels are not at an all time high, they were highest in the 10th and 11th centuries. That aside, the 'climate change' debate is not settled. If our political leaders truly had our best at heart, instead of their selfish interests for power and money, then they would allow wisdom to dictate their actions. 1200 pages, ridiculous amount of government agency involvement, massive amounts of additional debt... the list could go on and on... all of it lacks wisdom and simple common sense and should cause the thoughtful person (regardless of which side you take in the debate) to question the motivations, actions, and goals of our representatives.
As evidenced by the buried EPA report that has just come to light today. Also, the fact that they had to change its name so they could talk about it in the winter time when we are suffering record lows.
Climate change is much more than a tax scheme. On the contrary, this bill is one more powerful weapon in the statist's arsenol. The climate change and healthcare programs will do exactly what they were designed to do, and these political objectives have nothing to do with the climate or with healthcare.