U.S. Congress - H.R.2454 American Clean Energy And Security Act of 2009
H.R.2454 - American Clean Energy And Security Act of 2009
To create clean energy jobs, achieve energy independence, reduce global warming pollution and transition to a clean energy economy. view all titles (12)
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- Short: Safe Climate Act as passed house.
- Short: National Climate Service Act of 2009 as passed house.
- Short: Green Resources for Energy Efficient Neighborhoods Act of 2009 as passed house.
- Short: GREEN Act of 2009 as passed house.
- Short: Global Change Research and Data Management Act of 2009 as passed house.
- Short: American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 as passed house.
- Short: Safe Climate Act as reported to house.
- Short: American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 as reported to house.
- Short: Safe Climate Act as introduced.
- Short: American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 as introduced.
- Short: American Clean Energy And Security Act of 2009 as introduced.
- Official: To create clean energy jobs, achieve energy independence, reduce global warming pollution and transition to a clean energy economy. as introduced.
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There's this thing called the internet, where you can read all sorts of interesting studies, facts and theories about so-called global warming/climate change. I would go to google.com and try doing a little research yourself. There are plenty of scientists who de-cry the THEORY of man-made global warming. I learned about scientific theory in my seventh-grade science class, and if I remember correctly, a theory is not the same as a fact.
I believe NASA has also reported a drop in tempurature over the last decade. There are also reports that the polar ice caps, while receding in some areas, have actually increased greatly in other areas. Also, there appears to be significant correllation between sun-spot activity and the earth's core tempurature.
Man-made global warming is nothing more than a theory which has become the new religion, and the televangelists (i.e. Al Gore, Nancy Pelosi) are making a whole lot of money with their fire-and-brimstone preaching.
Did you know that gravity is a theory?
Precisely. There is no 'fact' in scientific process; only pragmatic realities.
And the pragmatic reality is that we are killing the ecosystem and our own wallets at the same time.
Have you climate change deniers ever thought of yourselves as the neo-opposition that Galileo once faced? Think about how the history books will be written, and which side you want to be on.
Again, I haven't seen enough evidence that this is a 'pragmatic reality'. I think most climate change deniers (myself included) think of ourselves more as Galileo, realizing that the universe does not, in fact, revolve around us, or that our activities actually can change the earth's core temperature, and the global warming alarmists still think the world is flat despite mounting evidence to the contrary.
Does the earth's core temperature change? It appears that it does, but not necessarily because of man's activity. Should we be spewing harmful gases into the air without a care in the world? Well, no, probably not. Who wants to live in smoggy cities? Of course we should take care of the environment, of course we should conserve our natural resources, but something as drastic as this bill is hardly the solution.
Of course, but the theory was originally hypothesized in the late 16th century, and in the 300+ years since then, the scientific evidence against it is not enough to convince me that it may be false. Weather patterns and CO2 emissions, on the other hand, have not been measured with accuracy until the last hundred years or so. I have not yet seen enough evidence to convince me that man-made global warming is, indeed, a viable theory. In fact, there is an equal amount of evidence to indicate otherwise.
Yes, I'm sure you are an idiot. Maybe you meant Newton's Law of Gravity with an emphases on LAW? Maybe you were busy spreading lies and nonsense on the internet? We will never know!
Actually, gravity is a "law". Hence the name, "Newton's Law of Gravity".
I think the question is more about 'the mechanism' vs. 'the effect'.
Newton's Law is about the predictable effects of gravity. Scientists are still in the dark as to the ontology of gravity, i.e. what it actually is and how it works (the mechanism).
Again, his law is pragmatic, and describes the effects of an yet to be understood force on solid objects; it is not some eternal truth.
It's extremely likely our understanding of gravity will deepen and change over time. The development of quantum physics is a good example of this and how it transcends yet includes Newtonian physics.
Just as our knowledge of ecology and environmental science will increase over time; I'm sure we will look back and wonder why we waited so long to act. It's called progress. It's not that scary.
You like hearing the sound of your own voice don't you? You must since Newton's Law of Gravity is as it says a LAW. The Laws of Thermodynamics are also the LAW. Not concepts or theories but actual LAWS of science. The Theory of Relativity remains a theory since for instance we are pretty sure there are black holes but due to how they function we can't see them but we believe that the effects caused by them can be recorded. Till this and other aspects are proven this will remain a theory. Clearly there are numerous people here that don't know what they are talking about or are intent on spreading misinformation. You sound like one of them. VATaxes and home inspections will not stop or start anything except the transition from a Constitutional Republic into Communism! Paying additional taxes because you own a dog will not solve problems but instead create millions of pissed off Citizens that in the end might revolt!
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124597505076157449.html
Something a little more mainstream maybe.
Anyone watching this crazy markup? Money is flying out the door, just passed a 100 million dollar a year funding for universities.
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Excellent news for the tax consumer, but not the tax payer!
Could someone provide clarification on coal mine methane? In H.R. 2454, coal mine methane is listed as an "other qualifying energy" if it is used to generate electricity on or near the mine mouth. Does the generation need to be utilized at the mine or could it be sold into the marketplace? Is there any further definition of "near"?
please do let us know what you find about coal methane as energy alternative.
If you love higher utility rates and want to see American jobs going overseas then this bill is for you! If not, this bill must be fought with everything you have!!
According to http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/102937 - "While the impact of cap and trade on our environment will most likely be inconclusive and debatable, the devastation to our economy will not be. The burden on U.S. manufacturers will force many of them to shut down their American operations and relocate to countries with far less stringent environmental regulations. In effect, cap and trade will cause America to export jobs......If this misguided policy is adopted, it will cause the average family to pay more than $3,100 in additional energy costs each year." $3,100 EACH YEAR. That's an additional $260/month. I don't know about some of you but I can't afford that.
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You are right.. we must fight for this bill with everything we have.
Don't you realize the opposition is just creating doomsday estimates and throwing numbers out there created by big coal and big oil industries. I'm done with being at the mercy of the middle east.
Also according to: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/18/AR2009051802647.html- "The real hidden catch of the cap-and-trade system, though, is that it will require consumers to pay twice: first for emission allowances and then for the construction of new low- and zero-carbon power plants."
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This bill would cost millions of jobs. I own a small business and I know what I'm talking about. How is paying twice as much for energy at my shop, paying twice as much for raw materials, paying twice as much for shipping,paying twice for groceries, travel, hotels,god, the list is endless! I will reduce the number of emploees immediately if this bill passes.
Don't worry; when we stop paying out over a trillion each year in oil and coal subsidies and put them into clean energy, you will pay very little for energy. Eventually you may make money off of energy you generate yourself with your own solar panels, when those become cheap and available, which you can then charge back to the smart electric grid. Trust me, you're on the up, and the future is bright.
How does that kool aid taiste? Good?
Enjoy it while it lasts.It will help you go to sleap but you may not wake up.
I must have missed that section of the Constitution where it states it is the federal government's responsibility to provide jobs for its citizens.
It's definitely implied by "general welfare", duh! /sarcasm
Many people only think the constitution "gives" us rights unless they've looked into it. They don't know it is in fact a document defining very limited powers of government and placing many restrictions on what it can do. Unfortunately before I was born and most people were today, there was much done to thwart those limits.
So by the same token you imply that the government has the responsibility to end jobs for its citizens now?
If you allow it the ability to provide, it is implicit that it will also have the ability to deny.
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
And finally if you're from Indiana you need to fight this thing with everything you have because it will destroy our state. Read this report in the Wall Street Journal from Indiana's Governor Mitch Daniels - http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124234844782222081.html
I agree, but it will destroy every state. Somehow, it seems the citizens are thought of as being ignorant of stupid. We need to fight this cap and trade and so called clean green jobs. It will destroy us.
They do believe that we are stupid. It's called Elitism. They believe themselves superior in every way. I hate this CRAP!!! I'm so tired of power hungry Elitists high-jacking our system!