U.S. Congress - H.R.2454 American Clean Energy And Security Act of 2009
H.R.2454 - American Clean Energy And Security Act of 2009
To create clean energy jobs, achieve energy independence, reduce global warming pollution and transition to a clean energy economy. view all titles (12)
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- Short: Safe Climate Act as passed house.
- Short: National Climate Service Act of 2009 as passed house.
- Short: Green Resources for Energy Efficient Neighborhoods Act of 2009 as passed house.
- Short: GREEN Act of 2009 as passed house.
- Short: Global Change Research and Data Management Act of 2009 as passed house.
- Short: American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 as passed house.
- Short: Safe Climate Act as reported to house.
- Short: American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 as reported to house.
- Short: Safe Climate Act as introduced.
- Short: American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 as introduced.
- Short: American Clean Energy And Security Act of 2009 as introduced.
- Official: To create clean energy jobs, achieve energy independence, reduce global warming pollution and transition to a clean energy economy. as introduced.
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It makes not a jot of difference what flavor you like, Republican or Democrat. They are, all, lifetime members of the best club in town and are not going to let the rabble (a.k.a. tax payers) into the sanctuary. And we are cows for voting them in time after time because they are a "democrat" or a "republican." And the sad news is that the voting public is about a 1:5 ratio. So, those who don't vote, can't complain.
agreed that we should all vote but at the same time fight voter fraud like electronic voting machines;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3hUPP_bdOo
We do not have a two-party system. "No matter who we vote in, the government wins." Even these politicians are mere errand boys and girls for real elitists. Real elitists fund both parties and we bicker over the false choices we are handed to make.
Flash back to '06: Democratic congress elected to end the war. Nothing happened.
2008 election: Democratic president elected. We'll surely end the war, right? Still nothing except shifting our wars around.
Think about how we are being played, election after election.
What this is really about is increasing government power to regulate more and more. This regulation and taxation will inevitably make the economy worse. Then we'll need more bailouts, more takeovers, more power for the government and international power structures. We must stop allowing ourselves to be duped.
You still follow that "Democrats v Republican" show?!
Haven't you ever heared the term; "good cop, bad cop"?
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European countries have tried this system for years. Their carbon emissions have gone up 5% over the last five years, while the emissions from the US have gone down 1% over the same period (without this system). So, even if you buy into the climate change crap, this system will do nothing to benefit the environment (and in fact will do just the opposite). It will do nothing but create a new market for carbon credits (that is, it will create a bunch of Enron's ... who, interestingly enough, was one of the biggest proponents of cap-and-trade before they fell apart).
Well, gee.. let's be better than the Europeans then.
If we put our energy into making this work, rather than being afraid of the future, we will prosper.
It's harder work than just letting things continue as usual. But, if you become a watchdog to make sure the carbon trading happens fairly and beneficially to society, then I think we have a lot to look forward to. I invite you put your shoulder to that wheel.
so we should do something that makes no commen sense... "better"?!
To do the same thing over and again, expecting differnt results, is the very definition of insanity"
-Albert Einstien-
Apparently you trust your politicians. Have you ever visited a DMV? Looked at a budget from a DOT? Or, I don't know, maybe seen the results of an government agency that was founded to make us energy self-sufficient (the DoE).
The definition of insanity is doing the same things over and over and expecting different results. Other countries have already tried this system and are abandoning it because its a failure in every respect. Trying the exact same thing but insisting we will be better is nothing short of delusional.
Have you ever been to a military installation? Every system has their bumps and annoyances, but the U.S. military is quite organized and efficient. I'm not saying we should base our government entirely on the military, don't get me wrong, but it is worth looking into.
As for the comment about other countries trying this system and seeing no change, those countries werent consuming as much fossil fuels as the U.S. Of course this isn't an ideal bill by anymeans, and climate change should not be our only environmental concern, but its progress.
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The bill should fail for being over 10 pages long. It's 300+ as shown here (the entire US Constitution is 20)!
r u trying to be funny?
"and grants for green jobs"
I want to hear the politicians tout the tens of thousands of jobs "created" in the green sector and how that will offset the half million or more jobs lost in the rest of the market.
Until someone can put a dollar value on the global warming effect of CO2 or other emissions I don't see any need to cripple our economy.
Obama's Global GDP tax like England and Canada. Same tax, new PMs.
England and Canada already know the mistake and don't want another Obama problem.
Where are the American people???? Everyone should be contacting their senators and state representatives every day opposing all this nonsense, the government is putting everyone out of work, well except for gov employees, which we pay for.
This bill along with many others will only put more people out of work. It is bull crap, all of it!!!!!
People better get together, unite against all this crap before it is too late? Maybe we all have busy lives, but are we going to stand by and let them continue taking over all of our Freedom and Liberty???
The things gov is doing make me ill, literally! Is their anyone who actually believes in the US Constituion????????????????
Yes, Yes, Yes, come on people make a stand, and contact your government representatives, all of them, state and local. Voice your opinions and concerns. And don't stop, keep writing, calling, emailing. And let them know they can and will be replaced if they won't listen. Support our Freedoms and our Constitution.
Look, I completely agree, but take it from me, writing your reps doesn't work. They don't care what we think. For two months, I wrote my representatives, literally, every single day! All you get is a mass handout entailing every single issue that they voted for, most of which, their constituents(You) told them not to. They do what their party wants. They don't represent us. And, there is no party for the people any more! Repubs, Dems, and Libs are all different heads on the same damn beast!
We need to start protesting, and, when necessary, conduct (Lawful)Civil Insurrection. Anything else will be ignored.
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Our 9-12 group has repeatedly contacted all our represenatives and have told them in no uncertain terms that supporting this bill will cost them their seat.
Also, letter writing campaigns and email/faxes and very frank phone calls. How do you explain to people that THOUGHT they we're going to get a tax-cut (95% lie)have tripled utility bills instead to support a hoax? All this does is turn the utility company into an arm of the IRS.
Government jobs are paid for by taxpayers. Once a government job is created we pay the wages, medical & vacations of that person in that job! Well for twenty years until they retire.
Then, we pay their retirement and someone to replace the person who retired.
After another twenty years, we pay 2 people retirement pay and yet another person to do the job that the first 2 retired from.
Don't ya get it, a gov job only creates more $$ needed to run government!!
A privately owned company, small business; they hire people to work and they pay their wages, not the taxpayers.
Government regulations cause small business to go out of business, thus costing Americans jobs that are not paid by taxpayers.
It is common sense to have privately owned small businesses. Government regulations and Union regulations have destroyed many thousands of small businesses to create huge conglomerate businesses that they can control, and they doing more of it all the time.
DRILL HERE< DRILL NOW< Small business< Let our country, let American use the Natural resourses we have to create jobs, to strengthen our Country.
Excellent point, but you're forgetting the other role of the taxpayers in this equation: as consumers, we are also the source of a business's wages and other expenses. Thus, any added cost to a business is passed on to us as higher prices.
The Grid to control your use of energy in your own home?????
Have you ever been to Russia? Their government controls their heat, it gets turned on the same day every year, whether it gets cold earlier or stays hot later is not govs concern.
It also gets turned off same day every year, so if it gets warm earlier or stays cold later is also not govs concern.
Example: lets say it's still 35 degrees outside, but the day comes when it's time for heat to be shut off......... too too bad, just freeze then.
Not just Russia. When I was in Italy in 1968 and Germany in 1969 it was controlled. You had to wear a sweater or jacket in your home to keep warm in the winter cause it was regulated and just barley enough to break the chill.
Again it is because it was an old existing system, they did not have hot water heaters back then. So the city tried to provide the heat the best they knew how at the time... those old systems were probably put in place more then 50 years ago when they did not manufacture Hot water heaters like they do now.
Geesh more fear mongering I see... It only appears like Russia is controlling the heat because in many European and Russian cities they have not updated their plumbing and mechanical systems. Some old cities still have a local coal plant that provides hot water heat to the whole city via a network of underground pipes. Those are very old systems and costly to replace. They did not have hot water heaters in the old days. Those are old existing systems and need updating... its not about controlling the people.
How many NON GREEN jobs will be lost if this bill is pasted? How much more will we pay in higher energy cost and taxes?
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