This bill is a tax on ALL Americans including those making under 250K which the President said he would not do. Also, there is disagreement among scientists that global warming is actually real. Why are we trying to fix something that may not be happening? MONEY maybe???? It seems like Pelosi, Gore and GE will see huge increases in wealth if this bill passes.

I’m not afraid of change or improving the environment. What scares me about this bill his the absolutely enormous tax burden put on the people of this country through the huge bureaucracy it creates

That article says that temperatures rise by about .36F per year. It also mentions that El Nino could cause exactly that much rise in temperature. Is there an article that proves that carbon emissions is contributing enough to global warming to justify a cap-and-trade method? That method could seriously hamper our economic growth.

This moronic bill should just be labeled: “Cap & Tax” because that is all that it will lead to. What a joke! Making big government…..bigger!

If you think the last eight years created wealth your senseless.

We had eight years of cutting spending on everything but the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, look where that has brought us.

On CSPAN Now. Debating HR 2454. Republicans are asking for over 300 additional pages of this legislation that was added overnight. Dems will not produce a copy of the additional pages.

GIANT LOLZ there. If I wish to contribute to charity, I will do so on my own will. Nobody should be federally mandated to contribute to (in this case “the prevention of global warming/climate change/whatever they’re calling it now”) your charity or anyone elses.

You mention “continually rising gas and oil prices” being a source of pain? Just THINK of what will happen when companies have to begin paying this tax. It won’t be just “gas and oil” that will be rising any longer. Need to ship something? Oh noes! The shipping companies are evil because they have an enormous carbon footprint! Your $5.00 shipment just became $15.00. I’m almost certain I won’t have a job any longer as the company I work for is almost certain to either shut down or pack up and move overseas due to the tax they’ll end up having to pay.

This is a solution looking for a problem. I assume the problem will be “Government wants more of our money, how do they get it?”

“The carbon level in the atmosphere is at an all time high for a period in our planets history in which it was acutally capable of sustaining life…”

Sure, if you don’t include anytime before the ice age….. which was caused by an asteroid/comet hitting the surface of the Earth, throwing it into this erratic cycles of warming and cooling.. You could say that we exist due to an imbalance of weather, not in spite of it. We are still cooling than the Cretaceous period, when life on Earth was drastically reduced by previously mention event.

Great point. Lost in all the arguments of whether this is a good idea or not is whether congress even has the authority to do it. Unfortunately that doesn’t matter any more. It doesn’t win votes to use the constitution. It works much better to pamper everyone and tell us what we can and can’t do. Eventually they will tell us who we can and can’t vote for.

I am with all who are against this bill——this would be a travesty if it were to pass. Our economy is suffering enough and there has been nothing but injustice done to our American workforce. Why can’t we learn from our foreign friends who have already tried and failed on some of these programs that are being shoved down our throats? Americans need to take care of America!

As an Independent / Libertarian, wait until 2010 and we’ll see what party rises to the top. You had one statement right, “sustainable living is the new order of the day.” Perhaps you should have said, “new world order”. American’s will soon take back our Country from those who seek to destroy it and create the “new world order”. Not by violent means, rather by throwing the Liberals/Progressives to the curb and all their country killing philosophies. Perhaps if you, CommonSense, had any, you would be more than a sheep being lead by wayward shepherds to the slaughter!

They started calling it “climate change” because “global warming” was hard to argue when you had consecutive years of cooling. Carbon Dioxide makes up less than 0.05% of the earths atmosphere. To put that into perspective, it would be like someone pouring a cup of hot water in the ocean and saying they caused the entire ocean to warm up.

However, even if you buy into the bogus “science” that it is, this bill will do nothing to further your cause. Just take a look at the other countries that have already done the same thing and see their results.

i just mailed my congressman from utah. i hope he understands what this is because i heard on Glen Beck that they give more time to talk about post offices (census) than to talk about Cap n Trade.

Does anyone understand why there is so much mayhem in passing so much legislation?

European countries have tried this system for years. Their carbon emissions have gone up 5% over the last five years, while the emissions from the US have gone down 1% over the same period (without this system). So, even if you buy into the climate change crap, this system will do nothing to benefit the environment (and in fact will do just the opposite). It will do nothing but create a new market for carbon credits (that is, it will create a bunch of Enron’s … who, interestingly enough, was one of the biggest proponents of cap-and-trade before they fell apart).

It seems to me that the only people that support this bill, dont have a whole lot to say other then something bashing the GOP. The people who only look at party affiliation are the problem with this country, they vote for reps. and then the reps. vote for bills according to the way their party wants them too. Last time I checked we were all AMERICANS and should have the best interests of AMERICA in mind regardless of party affiliation. If we dont get back to being strictly AMERICANs this country is done for! P.S. Cap and Trade is just another way to tax the AMERICAN people, it may create green jobs, but the amount of jobs being “created” wont outnumber the amount of jobs lost due to the larger expense of cap and trade. Opportunity costs people, opportunity costs!! Basic economics.

This bill will also raise the cost of food, their is a section where food manufactures will have to abide by new energy standards and that will be costly and that cost will be pushed onto the people. The Government will control how we buy food, gas, houses, cars, and just about every thing else.

And the ethanol fuel you buy robs families of food.

What an incredibly discriminatory statement, claiming that all Arabs are terrorists.

The reasonable solution is to get the government OUT of the energy sector. Oil, coal, hydro, nuclear are by FAR the most efficient forms of energy production and these meddling idiots have been systematically dismantling our ability to FUNCTION as a people and a country.The global warming hoax is an income transfer program and a way for the bankrupt federal government to increase it’s control and tax revenue.This has absolutely nothing to do with the environment.

Free market capitalism is the only economic system that has been proven to provide the maximum good for the maximum amount of people. Contrary to the claims of socialists and liberals, expanding government power and the welfare state reduces the standard of living and the level of freedom avaiable to the citizens. Simply look at the history of the nations that have and currently are trying it! It does not work. The human mind, especially one involved in government, is not capable of running something as complex as a national economy. Every time the government enters into more regulations and more taxation, the economy slows and individuals suffer. It is our right as Americans to own private property! The federal government has no right to redistribute income, especially when that “redistribution” helps NO ONE. Our government is short-sighted and unfortunately power hungry.

One of the biggest causes of our recession, unemployment rates, and income disparity is government restriction of the economy and the individual’s property rights! If you want to point fingers, don’t point them at Bush. By the time he came to office, the system of government intervention in the market was so firmly entrenched that removing it would take a revolution! He did what he could, lowering taxes, reinvigorating the economy, encouraging businesses. If you want to point the finger for our economic woes, let’s look at the cherished FDR and LBJ duo of liberalism. What a mess! They have wreaked havoc! All we can do is attempt to give the American citizen back some of their rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

It would definitely be beneficial to move away from fossil fuels. We will eventually run out of accessible fossil fuels (not for a while, but why not plan ahead?) and there is a significant portion of the scientific community, that believes there is a strong correlation between carbon emissions and climate change. Simply because it has not been proven yet (the IPCC states only that it is “very likely” that humans have had an impact) does not mean that we cannot move towards responsible change. If we could find a way to do so that stimulates our free market economy while maintaining a limited government, we could please both sides of the political spectrum.

The massive expansion of the bureaucracy with this bill remains one of my few apprehensions about it. Why not simply provide stimulus for independent movement towards energy reform rather than encumbering the move with unweidly, unproductive federal bureaucracy?

And now the Dems are doing the same thing as the Reps did – making themselves more powerful and stripping the rest of us of all of our rights. Where is the PUBLIC representation for this taxation? Nowhere. Where is this bill coming from? Our SUPPOSED rep’s in the House and Senate who could give a rats behind what we say or think. I agree with you Bush sucked, but so does every politician that makes ANY decision against their constituents. That meaning damn near every one of them.

Go figure that Bush had to be brought into it. I hate the guy too, but now you’re just pointing fingers. If you look at what has been accomplished, Obama is no better. Dems or Reps – they are all the same making the fat pockets fatter.

Time to get to work on our Senators. I’m so proud of John Boehner, way to go!!

Good job, majority of the House of Representatives. Now on to the Senate.

Wow, how did you uncover such indisputable, gut-wrenching hard evidence?

The bad news is that you’re looking for a political party that cares about people.

All that data proves to me is that we have a cyclic pattern. Temperature was high in the 1880s, and it cooled in the 1970s (there was a great scare about “global cooling” then, ironic), and has now risen again to the same point it was at.

If I’m missing something, let me know. I am always, sincerely, open to learning.

You can pollute space, get a brain. Space is nothingness. A void. How do you pollute nothingness?