U.S. Congress - H.R.3200 America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009
H.R.3200 - America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009
America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 view all titles (5)
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- Official: America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 as introduced.
- Official: To provide affordable, quality health care for all Americans and reduce the growth in health care spending, and for other purposes. as introduced.
- Popular: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 as introduced.
- Short: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 as introduced.
- Short: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 as reported to house.
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You really think Doctors and other Medical Providers get rich off government involvement? Well medicare reimburses me $6 to see your grandma in the nursing home… Poor poor assumption. Most of us dislike insurance all together. Insurance has forced cost-shifting. If Medicare pays $6, then Private Insurance pays $24, and Self-Pay pays $48
please show a source that says us is dead last in access and quality of health care, what you said is a flat out lie, no one in America is denied health care, you can go to the Philippines and if you don’t have money they will let you does on the sidewalk in front of the hospital. In the US anyone that needs treatment will get treatment money or not.
The US has the best doctors in the world, we have developed the best drugs and medical prociduers in the world
die not does on the sidewalk
I took care of a patient, a child from mexico who “crossed the border to visit his family” and conveniently ended up in the ER. This kid was so sick he topped the heart transplant list with his heart condition and received a new heart. Anyone in America can receive quality healthcare regardles off whether or not you can pay.
Still don’t believe me? Why don’t you look at Eagle Pass, Texas? 90% of children born in the hospital are illegal immigrants with no healthcare. Who pays for that? YOU DO!
AGAINST
Principal: Don’t look to the government to solve social problems.
All Social Engineering legislation fails without force and loss of personal freedom.
Watch for increasing strong arm gangster tactics looking to blackmail for support. It’s about power, not helping. Don’t be fooled.
Healthcare reform should only address: Tort Reform, illegal immigration reform.
Get rid of frivolous lawsuits, cap malpractice rewards, stop automatic American citizenship for non citizens, find and deport undocumented workers without work visas, English only, and close the border.
This bill is a good example of why Americans need to “CLEAN HOUSE” in Washington. The behind the scenes corruption is no longer behind the scenes. Politicians, unions, and corporations will be the benefactors of this bill with the average American paying for it. One need only look at the exponential growth of government offices to administer the program. We must shout from every corner of this wonderful country and tell Washington that “we” do not want more government, period!
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When will these people listen to those that they are making decisions for. I am not saying that health care doesn’t need to be fixed but why is a rushed solution throwing more money at the problem seem to be the new government policy on everything. Why don’t these people that are supposed to be representing us include their health care in this same system if it is so good and on that note their retirement as well. Until they have similar challenges that we do regarding these issues they solutions they come up with will only hurt our country and us in the end.
Until they start using some common sense nothing will every change.
The private insurance companies must be eliminated from health care. With the 30% of the money we spend on health care currently going to those “insurers” who provide no health service at all, only bureaucracy, and more every year, we need to eliminate bureaucracy. We need a single payer plan. That is the only way to eliminate bureaucracy and recover the 30% for health care. It would cost us near nothing. We certainly cannot afford to keep feeding the profits of the insurance and drug companies that leech off the health care system. There should be no for profit business associated with health care.
LOL!!! Have you looked at ANY government program, office, document lately??? The simple fact that the bill is over 1,000 pages and the algorithm that demonstrates it is a huge mess demonstrates that this bill will create MORE BUREAUCRACY than we have ever seen in our nation!!
All of this is just another shell game to make it harder to find the missing money, just as ACORN and it’s related groups do. Anyone who disagrees will see Chicago style strong-arm techniques and intimidation. It is already happening. Senator Kyl can demonstrate that.
Change your paradigm!!! NO ONE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION, or probably many in Congress, WANT TO FIX AMERICA!!! They are creating bureaucracies in order to make you dependent on the government, take your liberty, to create their elite class and our serf class. It’s nothing less than the socialist “change” you voted for. Read their Bible- Rules for Radicals if you think this is hooey. Saul Alinsky is the author.
I want to name one government program that has worked: the polio vaccine dissemination. Salk developed it with federal research funds. The government distributed it for nearly nothing. If we were to discover polio cure in today’s context, the drug company would figure how much we would be willing to pay to save the life of our children, and start charging from there. Government run means run by us. Right now we have the same problem that was in the banking industry in the medical care industry—the insurance and drug companies are draining us dry. We need to get rid of for-profit businesses, drug companies, insurance companies, and hospitals. they should all be not for profit. We need a single payer, government run insurance system.
Hospitals use to be nonprofit that is why all the old ones are named after churches of charities, they had to become for profit institutions after the government, lawyers and insurance companies got involved.
If we could get the government out of medicine, churches and charities could run hospitals again.
That is a very good point. So true.
false, March or dimes paid for its distribution, and the The University of Pittsburgh was a private collage until 1966 they did not recieve government funding until then, (the vaccine was discovered in 52) Funding for the research came from The Mellon family those greedy business people that owned or ran the following companies; Mellon Bank, Gulf Oil, Alcoa, Koppers, Westinghouse, H.J. Heinz, Newsweek, U.S. Steel and General Motors.
In other works the government didn’t do crap to cure polio is was greedy people.
Wrong, the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis was founded on January 3, 1938 by Roosevelt specifically for the purpose of raising money for polio research and to care for those suffering from the disease. The name emphasized the national, nonpartisan, and public nature of the new organization, as opposed to private foundations established by wealthy families. Later it was called the March of Dimes. Salk’s research was funded by this organization, not the Mellons.
The National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis had nothing to do with the government it was a nonprofit charity, it was not promoted by nor funded by the government. The National Foundation for infantile Paralysis was established in 1927 as the Warm Springs Foundation, Roosevelt was not elected president until 1933. In 38 he changed the name of the foundation to the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis. Basil O’Connor actually ran the march of dimes. Roosevelt stated the charity in 1927 because he was going going broke spending all is own money for 6 years trying to cure his polio.
The government had nothing to do with the March of Dimes the organization was established 6 years before Roosevelt held office.
IT gets better, most of the money raised by the foundation in the beginning went to a private resort owned by Roosevelt that catered to rich people.
I want to name another government-run program that has worked. The Public Utitility districts for providing electrical power, specifically in Eugene Oregon, are far cheaper, and with excellent service, than the private for profit Portland General Electric. The Lane County, Oregon, cooperative power company provides power even more cheaply than EPUD. We should have all voted for PUDS, but only the “liberal” communities in Oregon did, because everyone is afraid of “government-run” services. Conservatives don’t realize that huge companies are running our country. Government-run means we the people take ownership again.
Churches and charities can’t run the insurance system. The government can.
Suppose the cure for polio had been discovered in this current context. What would a “for profit” motive do with the polio cure. If you cure everyone you no longer have anything to market. The “for profit” motive would … have resulted maybe in something like we have for cancer…no cure, just on-going expensive treatments. Cancer treatments are the biggest money maker for the drug companies. The polio cure by comparison, being delivered within a few years and ending polio, would not be a profitable business. The smallpox vaccine… Why is it we have no cures anymore? I think the profit motive of private business may have something to do with that.
The H1N1 vaccine is being produced by for profit companies, so are drugs for the AIDs that are given freely to millions of people.
Oh and guess what the polio cure also care from for profit companies
“In 1952 and 1953, the U.S. experienced an outbreak of 58,000 and 35,000 polio cases, respectively, up from a typical number of some 20,000 a year. Amid this U.S. polio epidemic, millions of dollars were invested in finding and marketing a polio vaccine by commercial interests, including Lederle Laboratories in New York under the direction of H. R. Cox. Also working at Lederle was Polish-born virologist and immunologist Hilary Koprowski, who claims to have created the first successful polio vaccine, in 1950. His vaccine, however, a live attenuated virus taken orally, was still in the research stage and would not be ready for use until five years after Jonas Salk’s polio vaccine (a dead injectable vaccine) had reached the market.”
It was for profit businesses and the desire to make money that cured polio!!
Oh and this gets better it wasn’t the government that paid to get everyone that couldn’t afford the polio vaccine vaccinated it was a charity.
“Soon after Salk’s vaccine was licensed in 1955 children’s vaccination campaigns were launched. In the U.S, following a mass immunization campaign promoted by the March of Dimes, the annual number of polio cases fell to 5,600 by 1957.22 By 1961 only 161 cases were recorded in the United States.23”
In other words the government didn’t do crap to cure polio it was greedy businessmen and the non-proffits the greedy business people fund in order to get tax deductions.
Get the profit motive out of medicine. Maybe we will then find a cure for cancer.
Without the profit motive we would not have a cure for polio.
Salk was entitled to patent the polio vaccine and refused to do so because he wanted the vaccine to be inexpensive. Who today would do that? Would the person finding the cure be entitled to make the cure available or would the for profit company he works for be the one to decide whether they were going to profit from this discovery or give it away, as Salk did. The for profit motive would ensure the patent and subsequent profits. Giving it away is NOT “good business”—if you want profits.
You were trying to say that the government came up with and distributed the cure for polio which is a total farce. Stalk was
PAID to work for a private institution funded by private organsisations.
The distribution of the vaccine was paid for by private organizations and individuals, the government had nothing to do with it.
Salk did something nice and admirable but he was not forced to he had a choice. It would have been pretty crappy for him to put a patent on something when all of his funding and his pay check was coming from the donations of others.
But a again you are wrong the government did not cure Polio, polio was cured by private organizations and individuals.
Ah, no profit motive, right?
Lets say a charitable organization gave you a free car so you could get to work but instead of using the car to go to work you sold the car and kept the money. Do you think that if you called up that charity again and asked them to give you another car so your could get to work that the charity would give you another car?
God help us if this passes. The Federal government already has his hand in my pockets for my hard earned money in taxes and now I am supposed to let him hold me by my genitals and say cough up some more. No way, no how.
If you want to save money, we have to pass a single payer model. Bernie Sanders amendment to allow states to develop their own single payer model got only 3 votes in addition to his in the Senate subcommittee. The faster we get to a single payer model the sooner we save money. This measure prolongs getting there. But if we keep what we have, we will very soon have another disaster like the banking industry disaster. Greed is out of hand in medicince (drug companies and insurance companies) and will not be able to control itself just as it couldn’t in the banking industry until another huge collapse. You won’t have any pockets.