U.S. Congress - H.R.3200 America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009
H.R.3200 - America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009
America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 view all titles (5)
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- Official: America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 as introduced.
- Official: To provide affordable, quality health care for all Americans and reduce the growth in health care spending, and for other purposes. as introduced.
- Popular: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 as introduced.
- Short: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 as introduced.
- Short: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 as reported to house.
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This is a quote from our representative in the House. “As the health care reform debate continues I find it troubling that in draft legislation, Members of Congress would be exempt from participating in a public health care plan. If Members truly believe that a government-run plan will deliver quality health care then they should not have a problem enrolling in the public plan.”
If it is good enough for everyone else, why should members of Congress be exempt? JUST CRAZY!
I was a perfectly healthy 62 year old man who has cholesterol and BP under control, exercising 5 days a week, no heart related symptoms except an irregular heartbeat and family history of 1 parent heart attack. Went to my PCP, he suggested a cardiac treadmill. Treadmill results inconclusive. Had a heart cath to make sure. 11 days later wound up with a 5 way bypass surgery. Doctors later said I was a walking time bomb. Does ANYONE think that the government run health care system would have authorized all that? NOT ME! I’d be dead. Count me out for this OBAMAnation!
The Gov’t wants to cut health care costs…how about not allowing people to file frivolous law suit against doctors and hospitals for using FDA approved drugs and later finding out they could have caused a problem. (i.e. Levaquin, Trasylol) I keep seeing ads on TV to encourage people to call to make a claim. If you stop this, maybe the doctors and hospitals would not have to charge so much to cover malpractice insurance.
Please read the combination of Sections 101, 102, 201, 203. These outline, in rather clear language (not even that ‘legalese’) how ALL health insurance, public and private, would be completely run and dictated by the government, down to the plan options. Sure, you would have ‘choice’, but the 4-5 basic options would all be dictated specifically by a Commissioner running the Health Insurance Exchange who would dictate specifically what plans even Private Health Insurance Companies would offer.
This bill, in effect, will end all Private Health Insurance if we know it.
No, no, and no.
Maybe try reading more slowly.
The commissioner decides what MINIMUM aspects all plans in “The Exchange” should have. Insurance companies DO NOT have to join “The Exchange”, in fact they can make their own exchanges if they wanted, since this bill overturns many state laws prohibiting out-of-state companies.
The benefit of joining the exchange is that you can reach more customers, and employers are going to be more willing to choose from the exchange because of its simplified framework.
Besides, 4-5 plans? Thats at least double what most employers offer their employees. I work for a massive multi-billion dollar company, and I got to choose from…3 options total. 4-5 would increase competition by 20-25%!!!
But it will be against the law for you to purchase a product that is not in the exchange(unless you work for the government), so what would be the point of them not being in the exchange?
Combination of Sections 101, 102, 201, 203
#1)You can keep your own plan, if you pay for it yourself and the insurance company continues to provide that plan. If you ever have to change plans you have to chose a plan in the “Health Insurance Exchange”.
This isn’t new stuff. Despotism in all forms has existed since people have had need to be governed. It was exactly this type of collection of power into small groups (or a single person) that the Constitution of the United States was designed to avoid.
I cannot stand the chicken-little “the sky is falling” bull crap routine from this president any longer. While it is clear as day that we are in need of healthcare reform, it is not OUR deadline to have it passed by August!!! I don’t want to add administration and bureaucracy on top of an already failing system just for the sake of change! This whole “pass it now cause we can’t wait another 40 years” mantra is RIDICULOUS!! Pass IT RIGHT!! Not pass it right now! I am glad health care has the attention of the masses but delay is ALWAYS preferable to error – especially in something as large, complicated, and necessary as health care reform. Stop pandering to the party lines and start putting America first for once!
If it is not our responsibility, whose is it? How much longer should we have to wait? The idea is not to add bureaucracy to a failing system, but to correct the failures. If the government establishes a health care system that competes with private insurance companies, they will be forced to lower their prices and accept all people. I believe the President IS putting America first. The bill is for all of us. And, the health care is not forced, we don’t have to change insurance companies. There is the difference between the American health care plan, and plans in Canada and Europe.
The sky isn’t falling and no one is stressing this. But health reform has steadily been killed every decade or so when democrats propose it. The GOP always goes “whats the rush?”. This bill is pretty well polished and obviously has a lot of coverage. Not a single point of valid argument has been brought to the table for debate. The best thing the GOP has come up with is “death panels”, scare tactics, and screaming Nazi/socialist comments.
During the Bush administration we rushed through tons of poorly written bills and spend billions more in defense, wars, national security, and anti-terrorism. Sure I agree some should be spent towards those things but how many lives did we save? 50 million? Legislation like this hardly gets any opposition.
No I’m not saying that someone dieing of health issues and malicious terrorist attacks are the same. But which one does the greater good and promotes the quality of life?
This is insane! ANY public health care bill passed by this Congress should make it manditory that all congressional members enroll. If it is good enough for WE THE PEOPLE, then it is certainly good enough for the public servants.
I could see that happening in the final version of the bill. That could be a really good selling point for most people.
This is about a public option for those who cannot afford health care. This is about the millions of uninsured American citizens who have a right to health care.
The president as well as many congressmen have urged for a single-payer system (H.R. 676 has 86 co-sponsors, this current bill only has 8). But H.R. 3200 is a compromise for a bipartisan agreement for health reform insuring the uninsured, as well as keeping the status quo of healt hcare that 80% of Americans receive.
Some people feel that the single-payer system is ‘socialized medicine’.
Which “public health care bill” will they be enrolling in (like that is a coherent statement)? or do you mean that they would also have to choose one of the public options or private options listed on the exchange that everyone else chooses from?
OR are you just completely clueless about the details having not read them?
And here is the provision in question:
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text?version=rh&nid=t0:rh:13910
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If “We The People” don’t stop this NOW then, one day in September after all the dust has cleared, you’re going to wake up and wipe the sleep from your eyes and realize that “USA” now means the United Socialist America and the freedoms you’ve taken for granted all these years are now fading memories. Listen to Reagan – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs
Everyone is asking what the great rush is….Obama doesn’t want to give the public the chance to read this Piece of C___. Didn’t we learn from the Cap and Tax and Stimulus fiascos?….we’re better off sending mindless monkeys to Congress than Congressmen too lazy or stupid to read.
“If “We The People” don’t stop this NOW then, one day in September after all the dust has cleared, you’re going to wake up and wipe the sleep from your eyes and realize that “USA” now means the United Socialist America and the freedoms you’ve taken for granted all these years are now fading memories. "
Are you stupid? Do you even know what socialism means? I wish Obama was a socialist. I wish he was pushing single-payer,& I wish he would nationalize the energy sector, tax Exxon-Mobile’s profits at 100% retroactively for the past 25 years & invest the money in green tech, make Ford & GM earn their bailouts with fully emissions free cars w/in 2 yrs. I wish firemen and policemen and doctors made more money than baseball players or hedge fund managers. I wish there was more investment in pediatric cancer research than there is in treatments for erectile dysfunction. I wish there were fewer fat people and more smart people. What do you wish for?
So far, from reading the comments, most of us get it that the bill is a terrible idea. Why can’t the government get it?
Because the government sees all of us aging baby boomers coming into our deterioration years, and they see denying us care as a cost-cutting measure. Take the boomer who has late-onset muscular dystrophy. Statistically they are likely to have heart problems. Wouldn’t it save the government healthcare plan money to deny this person a heart valve replacement (which is unrelated to the muscular dystrophy heart issues)? What if that person, despite the diagnosis has not progressed in deterioration, but has instead been able to maintain their health? Will that be ignored because of statistics? So is the strategy to deny boomers so they’ll die and health care costs will be lower? I just have to ask this question.
Also, if more Americans lose their jobs in the next few years, the more will be forced into the Government Healthcare plan. So, in order to force this plan on us, it doesn’t make sense to encourage growth in the economy right now, does it?
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“So far, from reading the comments, most of us get it that the bill is a terrible idea.”
Don’t make the mistake of thinking this forum is a cross section of US citizens. Not by a long shot.
very good point voder, the people on this site are much more informed on the issues then most Americans. Most people out side of opencongress don;t even bother doing research on a bill let alone read the bills.
By those who don’t “read the bills”, I assume you mean all 535 members of the Congress?
Since when has the Government run anything that was more efficient and cheaper then the private sector? If you want to see what the Health care would be like if our Gov. starts running it just go to a VA hospital. I have worked in them and it is not what I want for my health care. And this is for our heroes that protect us. I don’t want some health committee that does not know me to decide what tests I can have. How may times have you heard anyone going to Canada or the UK for health care? no They come here. We have the best health care in the world. It nees a few upgrades but not run by the gov.
My insurance company already decides on what tests I can have and how much they will pay..
Yes, but you have the ability to go outside your system as it stands now. With GovInsCo, you will eventually be stuck without an alternative (unless you are a member of congress, a federal staff member, or a union member, all of whom will be exempt from GovInsCo).
Be REAL careful trusting 0bama and the Dems on this issue. They REALLY want to slip this through; 0bama says it might take 20 years to get where he wants, so he is very patient. Reid said he is going to push this through, regardless of whether the people want it or not.
So just because you don’t see something explicitly written into the bill, listen to what these corrupt politicians are saying and have said, and don’t be fooled by this “flag@whitehouse.gov” B.S.