H.R.3200 - America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009

America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 view all titles (5)

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  • Official: America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 as introduced.
  • Official: To provide affordable, quality health care for all Americans and reduce the growth in health care spending, and for other purposes. as introduced.
  • Popular: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 as introduced.
  • Short: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 as introduced.
  • Short: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 as reported to house.

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    abaratar 08/16/2009 9:24am

    and to help clarify that article Kaiser Permanente non profit provider, look at their Massachusetts rate’s that have zero deductible and zero co-payment.

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    abaratar 08/16/2009 3:35pm

    It was just pointed out to me that they only provide quotes from one company in MA, to get a bedder idea of pricing try a new york 10192 zip code they have more insurance companies, look at the zero deductible plans the new bill requires those.

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    NoMoney2FELONSamongUS 09/15/2009 5:48am

    > The government says they are doing this to make things cheaper

    Less government + free market == lower costs all around

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    scottowego 08/19/2009 6:44am
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    This is exactly why I want a Single payer system to compete with the insurance giants and keep them from taking advantage of a mandatory plan that brings them a windfall profit.

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    abaratar 08/19/2009 7:20pm
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    pssst 3200 is not a single player bill, you are defending the wrong piece of legislation

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    joeyjj 08/19/2009 11:43am

    I just did it with your zip code and the Massachusetts one. The reason the Massachusetts plans cost more is because they OFFER MORE SERVICES and COVER MORE. Look at the blue icons on the bottom left of each plan. They represent: prescription drug coverage, maternity coverage, no application fee, electronic signature, and health savings accounts.

    For each MA plan, 4 of those 5 services are offered. For the cheapest CO plan, only “no application fee” is offered. That means you’re not paying for prescription drug coverage or maternity coverage.

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    abaratar 08/19/2009 7:23pm

    Why do I need maternity coverage? I have testicles but the old lady has been gutted. Why do we need prescription coverage? we don’t do drugs.

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    NoMoney2FELONSamongUS 09/15/2009 5:51am

    “Why do I need maternity coverage? I have testicles but the old lady has been gutted.” — abaratar

    For the same ‘reason’ you need to pay for child education when you have no ability to have children.

    $140,000 (k-12) : if accurate $ amount it ought cover K to post grad.

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    joeyjj 08/19/2009 11:44am
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    So yeah, your comparison is incorrect because the cheapest Colorado plan is MUCH worse and covers MUCH less than the cheapest Massachusetts plan. If you want to say something about each State, you’d have to compare the prices of equivalent plans.

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    abaratar 08/19/2009 7:27pm

    jeyie, the Colorado plans will be illegal if this bill passes, only MA,JY and NY type plans will be legal which means it will cost more money. People are pushing this bill saying it will save money. My question to you is, How does tripling the price of insurance save money?

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    NoMoney2FELONSamongUS 09/15/2009 5:52am

    > How does tripling the price of insurance save money?

    By the same mechanism than can tax you into prosperity!

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    NoMoney2FELONSamongUS 09/15/2009 5:47am

    http://www.ehealthinsurance.com

    a zip code from Massachusetts 02019

    ouch

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    jimprjayp 08/18/2009 2:05am

    If this were true, social security would not be broke. Not to mention welfare. Or how about the US government? Don’t we all pay to the kitty?

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    scottowego 08/19/2009 6:47am
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    It’s a myth social security is broke. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7080681. Worry more about Medicare when all us baby boomers retire. And maybe the us government is going broke because of the lousy financial policies of the Bush era.

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    DKennedy 08/19/2009 1:12pm
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    Exactly scottowego.. and nice article by the way – especially appreciate the graph showing the money coming into social security is near identical to what is being paid out – also with bonus investments they have made it’s got a good nest egg. (1.4 trillion dollars)

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    abaratar 08/19/2009 7:45pm

    that graph is from the year 2000, that trust fund does not exist it is simply IOUs from other branches of government. The trust fund did exist till 83 when they changed the law and decided the government could borrow and spend the money as long as they pay it back later which they have not done yet., during the late 90’s the last of the trust fund was emptied to pay down the deficit, are government does not consider money it owes its self part of the deficit.

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    abaratar 08/19/2009 7:39pm

    Scottowego that article is from Decembe, 17, 2000 There has been .01% job growth in the private sector for the last 10 years yet ur pooulation has increased, in other words their are less private sector jobs now then 10 years ago.

    in all reality social security could be in the red this year I believe medicaid all ready is, Oh and their is no “trust fund” the trust fund you speak of was borrowed by other sectors of the government in other words their is no bank account with a trillion dollars in it just IOU’s from other government agencies.

    Here is a source that is not 10 years old
    http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/ContrarianChronicles/social-security-crunch-coming-fast.aspx

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    NoMoney2FELONSamongUS 09/15/2009 5:53am

    > It’s a myth social security is broke

    You’re right: social security, much like medicare, is a great PONZI SCHEME

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    scottowego 08/19/2009 6:39am

    Single payer will allow the government to pay the bills and negotiate lower pharmaceuticals. Hospitals and doctors will remain private.

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    abaratar 08/19/2009 2:26pm

    this is not a single payer bill, why are you supporting it?

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    uba 08/19/2009 3:38pm
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    abarator, I enjoyed reading your list of reasons why the developed countries in the world have socialist health insurance:

    1. In Germany, for example, [because that’s where my sister lives]
    everybody who is employed gets 8% of his/her income deducted for health coverage from their paychecks; similar to our unemployment insurance, workman’s comp, etc. The reason it works is that everybody contributes according to his/her ability, the more you earn the more you contribute.

    2. I really liked this one: the US trains the doctors??
    Have you visited a doctor lately? the ones that I’m seeing are either from Lebanon, Iran, Afghanistan, with names you can’t pronounce. Where have all the American doctors gone???

    to be continued

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    uba 08/19/2009 3:40pm
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    3. Because the US builts the hospital equipment? Don’t make me laugh.
    The number one supplier of high-tech equipment comes from Germany, yes, from Bausch & Lomb, Zeiss Ikon, just to name a few.

    4. And, oh yes, my sister in Germany who is 68, has had open heart surgery, gall bladder removed, and her doctor wants her to come in and get her bladder elevated. She can’t believe that the ‘richest’ country in the world doesn’t provide health coverage for everyone.

    5. In the US, the only hospitals that will or by law must admit you – if they are government funded – are the University Hospitals, i.e. teaching hospitals.
    All other hospitals are private and for-profit institutions that will not admit you unless you can prove that you have insurance.

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    abaratar 08/19/2009 8:27pm

    3.“The U.S. medical and dental equipment industry is known for producing high quality
    devices using advanced technology resulting from heavy investment in R&D. There are
    approximately 8,000 medical device firms in the United States.”
    “The U.S. is the largest single country consumer of medical and dental equipment and
    supplies, with a market valued at nearly $80 billion in 2005 (including diagnostic products)
    and U.S. medical technology companies lead the world in medical device production”
    “The U.S. industry is mainly facing competition from Germany (Siemens), Japan (Hitachi
    Medical Corp. and Toshiba), the Netherlands (Philips Electronics) and Italy (Marconi
    Medical Systems) in high-technology products. It is important to note that most of these
    foreign companies manufacture a significant amount of their products in the United
    States.”http://www.ita.doc.gov/td/health/outlook_05_medical.pdf

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    NoMoney2FELONSamongUS 09/15/2009 5:59am
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    > The U.S. medical and dental equipment industry

    is flourishing in the free market

    take away the free market and watch R&D money evaporate

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    adamten 10/02/2009 10:22am

    Even worse 50% of doctors would quit. Where would that situation leave us? May I add, If I did not have Health Care in U.S. I would be dead.

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    abaratar 08/19/2009 8:39pm

    4. your sister is not 70, and she is not in England, not every EU nation does everything the exanct same way. Germany has the best health care in the EU, but the US kicks their bohineys on responsiveness, cancer and heart treatment and success with premature births.

    5. false no one can be tuned away from an emergency room private of public (http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Insurance/KnowYourRights/KnowYourEmergencyRoomRights.aspx). On a related note 85% of US hospital beds are in non-profit hospitals.

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    NoMoney2FELONSamongUS 09/15/2009 6:01am
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    > Germany has the best [CASH FOR] health [SERVICES] in the eu.

    Everyone pays into fascist health unservices where few ever live to use it.

    Those who are well to do (upper middle class+) buy health SERVICES as needed.

    Socialism, whether via minimum wage or health unservices, harm those on the low end of the income scale.

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    abaratar 08/19/2009 9:25pm

    uba, first question, why do you get a new screen name everyday? is the idea to make it look like more people agree with you? Or do you just get a new name every time an old name is proven to have told lies? Is it so you vote lots of times? all the above? I seriously want to know.

    also you forget to correct me on these;

    Other countries afford it by letting babies and old people die.

    Other countries afford by not treating people over 65 for the flu.

    Other countries afford it by charging extra for air conditioned hospital rooms.

    Other countries afford it by making people wait 6 months to see a doctor.

    Other countries afford it be denying care to people who’s lives they think will not be productive.

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    uba 08/20/2009 3:56am
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    abarator, this is uba again
    Why would I get a new screen name everytime? What would be the point?
    You must be paranoid or something as I noticed you’ve accused others on this blog of the same thing. I have responded 4 or 5 times on this blog, scroll down and you’ll see it.
    I think you’re spending too much time on this blog – either you don’t have anything better to do or you don’t have a job. Get a life.
    May I suggest you volunteer some of your idle time at your local nursing home to see first hand the deplorable conditions our elderly live in and the care that they receive or not.
    I, on the other hand, am 67 years old and receive medicare, for which the government deducts $95/month plus I work part-time solely for the health insurance coverage offered through the union; So why am I in favor of health insurance reform you say? Because I worry about my sons and grandchildren.

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    abaratar 08/20/2009 6:34am

    If you are not lux/brossen/hakib ect.. I apologize for the accusation you started of writing like him but later expanded into a more developed argument. If you read this thread from beginning to end you will catch on. Your screen name was only a couple hours old when you started, which fits the mo of the attack and change name troll, and is now only one day old. Anyway welcome to openconress, I am confident that once you dig into this piece of legislation you will not want it for your children grand children and your future great grand children. the scariest thing about this legislation is nothing is set in stone and their is no oversight, every thing in this bill can be changed with no oversight. I do not want Jeb Bush making my families health care decisions.


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