Look at it this way: the people who come to your ER and waste your valuable time and space are doing so because that’s the only place they can get care, even if it comes out of someone else’s dime. Do you not agree that it’s much cheaper to go to a GP’s office than an ER? Do you not agree that if these folks could see a GP that they would do just that instead of going to an ER? Does it not follow that since they can’t pay anyway, they won’t pay, and that $200+ in the ER someone’s gonna have to pay anyway is cheaper for society than $70 at a GP?

Where sense is wanting, everything is wanting.
Benjamin Franklin
Power always thinks it has a great soul and vast views beyond the comprehension of the weak.
John Adams
There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty.
John Adams
I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.
James Madison
The class of citizens who provide at once their own food and their own raiment, may be viewed as the most truly independent and happy.
James Madison
We are right to take alarm at the first experiment upon our liberties.
James Madison

When will these people listen to those that they are making decisions for. I am not saying that health care doesn’t need to be fixed but why is a rushed solution throwing more money at the problem seem to be the new government policy on everything. Why don’t these people that are supposed to be representing us include their health care in this same system if it is so good and on that note their retirement as well. Until they have similar challenges that we do regarding these issues they solutions they come up with will only hurt our country and us in the end.

Until they start using some common sense nothing will every change.

FYI:
1. God doesn’t have any “fellow man”.
2. God said He who doesn’t work – doesn’t eat.
3. He said if there is a person “TRULY in need” – help them.

I’d be the first to help the needy – NOT the lazy.
The Facist dems continue to include skewed numbers which include the illegals, the young who typically don’t buy insurance anyway (invulnerable mentality), and those who prefer not to have health insurance due to religious beliefs, or those like myself, who choose alternative natural medicine.

Is there a health care problem in the US? Absolutely!
Should we force insurance coverage on every living soul in America? Absolutely NOT.

OH, and yes, I’m a God fearing Christian.

I am sick and tired of congress, and the media. we need health care reform, I am English I know how good the NHS is. I think that it is a
terrible thing for the rest of the world to see how corrupt and money hungry this country is. Who cares about the health of the people.

That is a very good point. So true.

I’m perfectly fine with a nearly negligible tax on soft drinks. – why aren’t you? Big deal.

I Checked, just baiting to see if you considered Brave New Films to be a valid source for information:)

That would also mean that you believe as Brave new films does that the Moon landing was faked, bush orchestrated 9-11

This is the best part you just admitted that you are being paid to disrupt this board and that your opinion is based on where your paycheck comes from.
“I work for a nonprofit in the public policy and governmental affairs department.”

you are a paid astrotuffing troll that
Can’t
Understand
Normal
Thinking.

1. doesn’t require any imagination. Youngest-first treatment and the concept of life-years saved has already been well documented and approved by many close to this administration (http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/PIIS0140673609601379.pdf). The details of this bill leave it pretty wide open for shifts in the personal or political agendas of the few that would be overseeing everyone’s care.

This isn’t new stuff. Despotism in all forms has existed since people have had need to be governed. It was exactly this type of collection of power into small groups (or a single person) that the Constitution of the United States was designed to avoid.

This Bill DIRECTLY affects small and medium size businesses…that is why Walmart and other companies are for this! It kills the desire to invest as those who have the small to medium size businesses cannot afford to pay wages and Health Insurance. This bill needs to be toned down and less of a power grab. You think unemployment is bad now. Wait until this bill goes through. 9.5% will seem wonderful!

All members of Congess should be required to read the bill prior of voting for o against it. This is a bad bill and should be screapped. We need reforms of health care insurance and tort reform above everything else.

Seriously…back up that its “such a small, far-right minority of confused and phobic semi-literates”. I mean either back up that its a small number or by all means continue to spew your nonsensical emotional frustrations about as though they were some type of factual analysis of the situation.

Why should everyone have to have car insurance? people should be liable for damages they cause but should not be forced by the government to buy insurance.

? How is having insure or going to a doctor going to keep someone from passing on the swine flu.

Also can you show one instance of anyone in America being denied health care?. It hasn’t happened in America yet, it happens all the time in countries with socialist medicine, if you are 70 and have heart disease in England you will be denied health care because the government decided that 70 is too old to receive bypass surgery. My grandmother now 89 and still mowing her own lawn had bypass surgery in 2001, in England they would have let her die, is that what you want to happen in the US? Should we just let sick babies die (like they do in England) because we can not justify the cost?

Do you not understand that insurance is what made health care so expensive.

You are absolutely right. And all of us who are boomers should clearly understand that this is what we aging Americans are going to be getting for health care. We are a large voting block, and someone needs to engage our power on this issue fast.

Three cheers for Congressman John Fleming of Louisiana! Congressman Fleming(a Louisiana physician)has proposed an amendment that would require congressmen and senators to be covered by the same healthcare plan they force on us (under the proposed legislation they are curiously exempt). If Congress forces HR3200 on the American people, they should have to accept the same level of health care for themselves and their families. Congressman Fleming is encouraging people to go on his Website and sign his petition.

false, March or dimes paid for its distribution, and the The University of Pittsburgh was a private collage until 1966 they did not recieve government funding until then, (the vaccine was discovered in 52) Funding for the research came from The Mellon family those greedy business people that owned or ran the following companies; Mellon Bank, Gulf Oil, Alcoa, Koppers, Westinghouse, H.J. Heinz, Newsweek, U.S. Steel and General Motors.

In other works the government didn’t do crap to cure polio is was greedy people.

Without the profit motive we would not have a cure for polio.

If 27,000,000 moochers that have no business in this country in the first place this wouldn’t even be on the table for discussion.

As a nation we can’t afford this bill, yes health care cost are out of control, but this bill is not going to fix what is wrong with health care cost. Also and more to the main nay vote…if a bill is to be worked on and passed it should be a bill that will cover our learders as well. The Congress should have to follow what ever bill is passed just like every other American will have to do, after all they are not all that special. So to Congress I say VOTE NO ON H.R. 3200

You arguments are misguided.

1. HMO’s are a result of the socialistic HMO Act of 1973 (now expired but responsible for their structure) and their problems give just a glimpse into how bad HR 3200 would be

1. Public works and libraries are funded by municipality and State funds. They are not federally socialistic programs. The US Government was designed so that the State governments (and ideally their smaller townships and counties) would have sole responsibility for taking care of their citizens, no such power is granted to the Federal government.

1. In almost all cases, private schools outperform their public counterparts. The Department of Education has long been a target of conservative and libertarian groups as Federal interference has been dragging our education system down continually. If we can restore and reform public schools so that they are funded by local and State taxes only (see #2) then we will start to see a much better education available to all.

I totally agree. Work for what you get and don’t expect a handout. This country was built on hard work not freebies. Illegal aliens already get too much by way of liquidating medicare and medicaid which by the way is for the disabled and elderly not illegal aliens. Why so I pay to help an illegal alien when they just lay about cranking mout kids hat they cn’t afford to have. I say neuter the males and spay the females.

Just so everyone know Nakia is a paid political activist she is getting paid to do this.

Now on the 47 million uninsured, Nakia already know this. According the information gathered by the US Census a third of the uninsured make over $50,000 a year, 19% make over $75,000, a third of the uninsured qualify for medicaid but won’t take the time to sign up and 20% are illegal aliens. This bill does nothing to help illegal aliens yet Nakia still uses them in her number when talking about why we need this bill.

I agree, the reform should not be spending more money so that everyone has insurance but decreasing the inefficiencies so the costs come down and allow everyone to afford it.

It seems that their only solutions is more money (that we don’t have) and government run (which they have proved time an again that they can’t run something efficiently).

Barack Obama, June 23, 2009, speaking on health care: “What I’ve said is, our top priority has to be to control costs.” http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/06/23/politics/main5107407.shtml

What I don’t understand is how anyone can be fool enough to believe that, once this bill is passed, the Government will suddenly find an incentive to make our individual health and welfare their top priority.

I do find it interesting that so many folks are surprised that the government is putting so many restrictions on our freedom of choice: how in the heck are they going to control us if we are wandering all over the Earth making our own choices?

This is not about health care, this is about governemnt control of you life. If the socialist/communist pass this bill, we are done as a capitalist country.

True Health reform would be this:

1) HSA
2) Rewrite the tax code. Instead of bussiness taking your money to buy insurance, you get to buy insurance.
3) Shopping across state line.
4) Get ridding of the community ratings.
5) Tort reform

This is true reform and cost nothing to the taxpayers. What Barrack Hussein Obama offices is rationed care and control of what one consumes and who get treated.

Keep it simple stupid. This bill is just ridiculous huge and complicated. Who will read and understand its entirety?

Cost only drop when people see the true cost of a product or service, this will only obfuscate it further.

Ask yourself, do you use your car insurance to fix every little thing that goes wrong with your car? Or your home owners insurance for everything that breaks in your house? Of course not.

But people expect to use health insurance for every single medical issue without ever asking themselves, “How much is this gonna cost?” There’s a major disconnect between service and price. When people go in for non-emergency procedures they either don’t or can’t shop around. This removes pressures that drive prices down, combined with government interference in the form of subsidize and you get inflating prices.

I’ve talked to quite a few people and they often say it didn’t used to be like this. When I ask when they feel like it started they often say sometime in the 70s. Interestingly enough the HMO act was passed in the 70s which was what help bring the govt in to health care.

Tell that to the woman who spoke at Killer Creek Harley yesterday, her sister lives in Canada and has been diagnosed with breast cancer, she was given an appointment date with her surgeon, July 2010! John Stocell, 20/20 did a piece on the Canadian system. If you are a pet and need an MRI they can get it in next week, people wait a month! This was from a Vet in Canada. Most people in Canada in small towns don’t have doctors, they have a lottery system. The town clerk pulls a few names from a hat and calls you when the doctor can accept new patients.

Here we go again! Let’s pass a bill we don’t need (or want) without even reading it and UNDERSTANDING what it really says. Mr. Obama – get a life and pay attention to the PEOPLE for a change. It is our agenda that counts, not yours.

You’re absolutely right, there is not much about our current system that’s great. The problem is that we’ve seen how well the government has managed (or miss-managed) every system they have controlled.