This is a very scary comment. I find the individual to be the heart and soul of a nation. It is when we all fall in line and march the goosestep that great misfortune will befall us. History is full of examples of nations whose people have cowered to the government controls. This government has the right to collect taxes from a citizen, it also has the right to draft said citizen into the armed forces. Beyond that I do not believe they have the right to require me (or force me!) to do anything!

THIS BILL NEEDS TO BE DEFUNDED RIGHT AWAY………

Good luck with the election reform. I agree, the House bill was a much better bill. We’re lucky to get anything out of this congress. I hope they try to fix this after the mid-term elections. The compromise is not sounding promising. I’d disagree with you about your representation. You are being better represented than you have been for nearly 2 decades. Just hang on and keep voting.

There are a seeming majority of people who, according to the latest surveys, do not support this bill. However, approximately a third of those who don’t support the bill do so because they wanted the bill to go further. The bottom line is that this bill more supported than not. It simple logic but it will be spinned until there is nothing logical about it.

For Republicans the votes and their wins speak volumes. But, much like the healthcare bill I would not be quick to draw any final conclusions.

LMAO I just think that, Yes you should defy the Governmentwhen they do something that is unethical and flat out wrong but please just don’t be the person who complains and B****s when your employer sticks you with the cheapest plan they can find and quite possibly may just be as usless as not having Insurance at all. Please do not be the people that complain becasue you are getting collection calls because your kid broke their leg and get stuck with a $6k bill for just a MRI. Don’t be mad when your plan drops your butt when you get cancer and your plan tells you “sorry we’re only going to give you $100,000 for a lifetime benefit” when your Chemo run at $15k a treatment. As for the president himself, lets face it like him or hate him he promised this would be done and in just over a year it’s done unlike the other presidents who tried and failed over the past 40 years.

so typical of you. teabaggers. what an immature and lame thing to say. so pinko, i hope you like your new found socialist government that will lose in 2010? how is that. at least my term for you is a bit more truthful.

you’re a 30% minority. every poll that i’ve seen has shown you on the low end. get over it.

You state that Insurance is part of you benefits compensation such as your paycheck. So by that logic you think that those who are unable to owrk or work for a company who can not afford insurance coverage that they not be allowed to have help with getting coverage. IF this is the case then isn’t the same thing as those who receive SS checks, Medicaid, Medicare, Food stamps… aren’t those forms of compensation for those who can’t be compensated and why is so radical to think that the same government that gives these compensations also be able to give insurance benefit as well.

Hmmmm… I’ll only say that I voted for the Democratic take back of congress, and the current President, partly because I had, and might still have, the same sentiments toward the Republican party that you are expressing. The current majority, my local reps, and the President are currently trying to solve the problems we voted them into office to solve. You’re statistic doesn’t really mean much to me in that light.

“It’s not the gov’s role to tell us what we can do and what we can’t do. It’s their role to ensure that our rights are not taken from us.”

So the government is obligated to ensure our rights are not taken from us, however in order to do that the government must at some point impede on the rights of those that would take those rights away from us.

In order to have some rights, other rights must be taken away. If someone has a car, in a state of anarchy they would be able to drive at 100+ mph without any issue from an overarching authority. However, our nation values safety, so in the U.S. a car must operate within accepted speed limits so as to protect the safety of the group. The right to go 100mph is taken in exchange for the right to pass through our road systems with relative safety. In that sense, the government is very much telling us what we can and can’t do, because such a deed is necessary to preserve our rights.

Back in the day they might have responded to the constituents that voted for’em, now they’re just ignoring them. and they should care about the teabaggers because in the end it might just be those who the offended that will decide whether they stay in office or get the boot.

It would be nice to consume some facts. I find many of the replies amusing. It is the individulism that has torn this country apart.

I would like to know why you left out Sec. 1513 from your summary of this bill. That is not in any indicative of “Open” anything, Congress or otherwise. That is perhaps the most invasive, calamitous aspect of this bill, and one that has gotten no attention whatsoever from the media. Virtually no one knows it exists; therefore, nobody knows the harm it will cause to our economy.

Don’t Tax Middle-Class Health Benefits

American Federation of Televsion & Radio Artists are among millions of working Americans who will be seriously harmed by a proposed tax on health care benefits currently proposed in the latest version of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (H.R. 3590). A tax on middle-class Americans’ health benefits is the wrong way to finance health care reform. Please take a minute to call or write your representatives in Washington D.C. and tell them there are better ways to pay for health care reform.

As a member and/or supporter of the American Federation of Television and and Radio Artists, a union representing more than 70,000 members, I am urging you to take out of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (H.R. 3590) a provision that would burden the middle-class with a tax on their benefits.

The goal of health care reform is to make it both accessible and affordable for average Americans. A tax like this would defeat that goal.

The problem with this so called public option is that it is not legit competition and that it will bankrupt the private health insurance industry, which is by definition called a single payer system. The best way to insure 48 million Americans and bring down costs is to allow employers to buy private insurance from other states. That is the best way to reform our health care system.

Well… It’s something at least. Still can’t see why we have to support the insurance companies and couldn’t just get a single payer system and call it good.

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Lets discuss the military First Time Home Buyers Tax Act of 2009. Will this bill which was separate from the Patient Protection Act of 2009 initailly ever even be utilized for this tax year after all April 2010 in the tax deadline. Seems crazy how this bill became tied to health care which is more important to Americans for obvious reasons. Will the military personnel ever be able to get the $8,000 first time homebuyers or will they just take the loss because time the bill will remain discussed even though already passed in the senate. Bill of the magnitude “health care” should never be tied to other bills.

I support this bill as it allows for innovation to take place in the industry and it will create jobs. I work in the hightech/Software industry and I can see may ways plenty of companies can get involved in making this happen.

So far, I’m enjoying the “screwing” I’m getting from this administration. It’s reassuring to know the Presidency is in competent hands again.

There have been many Tea Party movements in the past. This one seems to be an artificial movement spin-off of the Ron Paul movement; spun off, funded, and promoted by well known GOP assets: Americans for Prosperity, Freedom Works, and Fox News. I don’t remember them supporting any of the congressional victors in the 2006 change of leadership nor Obama’s election.

“Hate-mongering and smearing all over the TV shows” are words that come to mind when shown “Muslim President” and “Death Panel” signs and correlations between Health Care Reform and the Holocaust. If they are really serious about “REAL change”, they should be less extreme and more responsible in their rationale and rhetoric. Rants of ObamaCare, Communism and Socialism deafen ears; much like the boy who cried wolf.

I was just told that according to a new law if you have health insurance, you can not go to another doctor and pay cash, you must use a doctor that takes your insurance plan. Any idea if this is true and if so is it in this bill or another?

Which is unconstitutional.
The gov stepping in is exactly what they’re not supposed to do.

Those things are not mandated unless you choose to use them. I know plenty of people who don’t own a vehicle and therefore don’t need any of the items that you mentioned.

It’s not the gov’s role to tell us what we can do and what we can’t do. It’s their role to ensure that our rights are not taken from us. Instead, the gov is systematically editing our rights out of the constitution.

Finally, someone writes an informed and insightful post. I couldn’t agree more!

This bill was suppose to be good

Without the public option this law only makes it worse.

Was kind of reading the bill and looking at, “INDIVIDUALS ELIGIBLE FOR ENROLLMENT” and from what it reads, “has not attained the age of 30 before the beginning of the plan year” page 115. So does that mean that not everyone is covered if the individual is over the age of 30 when trying to enroll would be denied coverage? Not saying I wish it wasn’t not passed just kind wanted to know who is covered.

So then all taxes…ever. That’s ridiculous.

Please forgive my ignorance but before I say I like or do not like this bill can someone please explain the following?
Title IX: Revenue Provisions – Subtitle A: Revenue Offset Provisions – (Sec. 9001, as modified by section 10901) Amends the Internal Revenue Code to impose an excise tax of 40% of the excess benefit from certain high cost employer-sponsored health coverage. Deems any amount which exceeds payment of $8,500 for an employee self-only coverage plan and $23,000 for employees with other than self-only coverage (family plans) as an excess benefit. Increases such amounts for certain retirees and employees who are engaged in high-risk professions (e.g., law enforcement officers, emergency medical first responders, or longshore workers). Imposes a penalty on employers and coverage providers for failure to calculate the proper amount of an excess benefit.
Sec. 9002) Requires employers to include in the W-2 form of each employee the aggregate cost of applicable employer ,etc

You get to pay an extra tax if you are deemed to have a ‘rich’ benefit plan provided by your employer…unless you are in law enforcement or a high-morbidity risk field.

he voted yes for the bill.

“To amend …certain other Federal employees [I’m fine up until this point, except in cases of those “noshow” FEDs to which division heads be held accountable for support. AND AS FOR “…and for other purposes”. No way!!! ..Just like monies from the lottery that was supposed to go toward education. We should have by now, qualified teachers using topend learning materials in the U.S. system by now, instead Ed. system is laying off & not hiring due to lack of funds. Imagine millions & millions of unallocated monies slated toward educational system being spent elsewhere (I’ll keep my 1 pothole for just 1 more qualified teacher). No wonder foreign countries are killing us in our school syatem, infrastructure seems more important than a child’s education. And forget about funding for continued education where most students are just about forced to pay their own way unless they’ve received some scholarship monies or are a minority.

“…and for other purposes” ..definitely no way!!!

“So to solve the problem create a nationwide private health insurance market with nationwide policies of what a package can include…and ban companies from rejecting people from pre-existing conditions. That will fix our health care system.”

And isn’t that what this bill aims to do?