Sorry applemanmatt, but the putlic option was completely removed from this bill. I disagree that allowing employers to buy private insurance from other states will solve the problem. Because each state has it’s own set of rules in regards to what their “package” can and can not include, so most of the time the reason private insurace may be cheaper in one state rather than another is because the coverage isn’t as good as many might think. Also, if our insurance companies agree that the pre-existing condition clause they have is unfair (as CareMark CEO stated on CSPAN) why didn’t they remove it from their policies, rather than forcing our government to do it for them?

I don’t agree with everything in this bill, but as always it’s a step. They’ll work again on it and more and more will be either removed or rewritten in the future. I hope it goes to conference and the house and senate bill’s can be merged into something much more palatable to all.

The problem with this so called public option is that it is not legit competition and that it will bankrupt the private health insurance industry, which is by definition called a single payer system. The best way to insure 48 million Americans and bring down costs is to allow employers to buy private insurance from other states. That is the best way to reform our health care system.

You people amaze me they had thousands of signs and they showed three or four of them that were out of line.This coming from the people that dogged Bush every hour of the day.

We must remember that one person’s “rights” stop where another person’s begin.
This bill assumes that all people want insurance. I personally don’t want nor can I afford insurance. I want affordable “Health Care”. You are free to say what you want about me; I have heard it all before. However, it is my “right” not to patron any business I chose. Including Insurance companies.
This whole bill has been about Insurance and never about the cost/PRICE of “Health Care”. Overall, the profit margin for health insurance companies was a modest 3.4 percent over the past year, according to data provided by Morningstar. That ranks 87th out of 215 industries and slightly above the median of 2.2 percent.
Pharmaceutical companies have a profit margin of 16.4 percent—seventh highest of the 215 industries that Morningstar tracks.

http://www.usnews.com/money/blogs/flowchart/2009/08/25/why-health-insurers-make-lousy-villains.html

From the Manager’s Amendment:
“None of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the
Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment
made by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be
used for the collection of any information relating to (FIREARMS).”

People wonder why these bills are so long. Someone actually thought it was necessary to point out that tracking medical information doesn’t mean they can track down and take away our guns. Lewis Black’s head will explode like a Gallagher watermelon. I hope he’s covered.

No mention of firearms in H.R. 3962. What WILL they do? How can they possibly reconcile this? Will there be a duel?

I currently oppose this bill for one simple reason. The only thing in my mind that would help the American people would be a Public Option or a Single payer System such as Medicare for all, but unfortunately the Blue Dog Dems and all Republicans are afraid of losing their yearly contributions from the Insurance industry. I applaud the House for passing a Health care bill with a Public Option but I am sadden by the Senate Democrats who parade around as if they are doing something and I am even more appalled at the Republican party who never do anything but praise themselves and lie about everyhing else. In conclusion I am proud to be an American; proud to stand on the shores of a free country, but at times I wonder if we are truly free for when our esteemed leaders pass laws, they never ask me to vote; they never open up the polling booths for me to voice my yes or no concerning important things like health care reform!

The proper role of government is to protect the innocent from tyranny. The proper role of national government is limited and clearly defined in our Constitution, and this bill clearly falls outside the proper role of our national government.

Should everyone have access to health care? Yes, definitely. Should anyone be forced to provide that health care? Absolutely not. When any person is forced to provide health care, government is not only over-stepping its authority, it is practicing tyranny. Governmental force is supposed to protect individuals from tyranny, not practice it. This bill is criminal – and those who vote for it are committing crimes against freedom. The Declaration of Independence outlines the proper way to respond to tyrants.

So far, I’m enjoying the “screwing” I’m getting from this administration. It’s reassuring to know the Presidency is in competent hands again.

There have been many Tea Party movements in the past. This one seems to be an artificial movement spin-off of the Ron Paul movement; spun off, funded, and promoted by well known GOP assets: Americans for Prosperity, Freedom Works, and Fox News. I don’t remember them supporting any of the congressional victors in the 2006 change of leadership nor Obama’s election.

“Hate-mongering and smearing all over the TV shows” are words that come to mind when shown “Muslim President” and “Death Panel” signs and correlations between Health Care Reform and the Holocaust. If they are really serious about “REAL change”, they should be less extreme and more responsible in their rationale and rhetoric. Rants of ObamaCare, Communism and Socialism deafen ears; much like the boy who cried wolf.

Lets not forget the worst part of this deal – its not just that taxpayers will foot the bill for non taxpayers so they can have ‘free’ care … the worst part is that buying insurance will be mandatory and will be a part of your IRS tax return – show proof of coverage or be fined. Sorry folks but that is extortion!! There are always better ways to do things but the govt wants to control and make deals.

Cap lawsuits, make ins companies portable (increases competition) pay doctors what they are worth – leave medicare for the seniors – stop the handouts – teach people how to live healthier – add to those being able to get our meds from outside the US – the FDA is just another control.

People get so uppity about their right to health care – what about my right to not have to pay for your ‘free’ care??

The govt is funded by tax dollars – so every time you get something from them – you are really getting it from those who pay taxes. will you pay my fine please??

Today and over a hundred years ago bribery was known and still is known as the same thing. The basic meaning of bribery can be described as a way to get someone to do something, for something in exchange.

People in power try to bribe other people in power for even greater power or things of greater monetary value. Of course the authors of the Constitution knew bribes were tempting and made a law that prevented any government official from accepting a bribe, especially from a foreign nation, without being kicked out of office.
Votes were bought, like I will see to it that your State gets 300 Hundred Million Dollars.

justamick – I’m with you. Instead of smears, let’s rely on facts, people. LucasFoxx – you deserve every screwing you get from this administration with your attitude. The Tea Party DID vote on this class of congress – I’m a member, and I voted. Have you never heard of the ice berg principle? A safe estimate is that less than 1/8th of the people with similar opinions to this movement are actually “visible” – especially when you consider that conservatives, by nature, are typically less vocal and “in-your-face” as a liberal. Just because we’re not hate-mongering and smearing all over the TV shows does NOT mean that we are not upset, active, and ready to impact a REAL change on this country.

I can’t believe this GARBAGE legislation is making its way through congress when so many Americans are against it? Who are these senator’s, who are supposed to be representing American interest, listening to if not us? These kinds of politics make me SICK!! Our politicians have been bought off, obviously!!… but I suppose that’s old news. When will America be America again?

Furthermore, it disgusts me how they disguise these garbage bills with fancy titles and abstracts that SOUND good, but are filled with poison. Of course another strategy of theirs is loading these bills with thousands of pages of garbage so nobody will ever read it, even if they had the time to. Finally, they push them through, making the bills impossible to come under scrutiny. What the crap is WRONG with this country and its politics!?! This is INSANITY people!!

RESTORE THE REPUBLIC!!

The Democratic “health care reform” effort has become an election campaign. They just want something, anything, to pass. They don’t even care that the Senate bill will not reduce health care costs, will not reduce health insurance costs, will raise taxes on the middle class, will severely hurt small businesses, will increase the deficit, and otherwise will not achieve any of the goals that President Obama set for health care reform.

The process is not transparent, as was promised. This is a behind closed doors process full of payoffs and kickbacks. If this thing passes, it will be a sad day for our country.

Keep up the fight!

So if someone has legitimate concerns fueled by he abuses of the Government in place that is supposed to protect them then they are offensive? You’re a real piece of work.

Referring to them in a derogatory sexual manner is both unbecoming and offensive, no matter WHO you are!

I would appreciate it if the people of this movement were less offensive.

PROVE that the people who are members of the Tea Party movement are a very small constituency.

In the future, I would appreciate you referring to the people of this movement in a less offensive manner.

They are responding to the constituents that voted them into office and are calling on them for change and reform. The teabaggers are a very small constituency and never voted for this class of congress in the first place. Why should these representatives care about the teabagger vote that they didn’t need to get elected in the first place?

This country has gone to a one man vote on everything in Washington. The reason I say that just look the people all over this country by the millions has already said they don’t want this healthcare that is being pushed through at break neck speed while the people says no. The people has had tea parties and town hall meetings and wrote and called Washington trying to stop it. But it appears that congress and senate is deaf to the very ones that voted them into their jobs. So it goes back to the idea that one senator is going to tell millions of people what they can have and not have no matter what the millions of people wants. What part of the word NO does the liberals not understand.

When last I read this bill, it did not contain those words. I apologize.

Ingratiated enough with your belittling and self gratification?

I’m not the one misunderstanding the purpose of this bill. You are.

Which of those 2 words do you not understand? Legislative? Vehicle?

this bill has nothing to do with Health care… it is just a legislative vehicle. You want to complain about HR3962 or SR1679.

First of all Lucas, this is not a bill about health care, if you look at the title, you would see that it is a legislative vehicle. In other words, this is the bill that is going to carry the health care bill with it. This bill covers a first time home buyers credit for members of the armed forces.

It has nothing to do with health care.

This bill is quite plainly unconstitutional. Given that they are sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution their authority becomes insolvent, and they are (already) guilty of not only perjury but also treason.

If this bill is signed into law, I cannot wait to see how many courts tear it to shreds and how many States outright reject it. I am certain to be amused when they try to fine me for not carrying insurance. I’ll be doubly amused if they try to do something to enforce that fine.

Idiots… for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Congress is going to reap the whirlwind on this bill.

What makes this bill more palatable to you, bravo6lima?

I would support this bill rather than hr3262.One thing,Why if I disagree with some one am I a Troll(being a conservative rather than a republican)?I remember a time when being labled as a liberal meant that you were open to new ideas and did not have tunnel vision.As time has passed,the roles seem to be changing,at least through my eyes.I could be wrong(as I frequently am).

Another recent talking point picked up by ABCNEWS.com was that the CBO report said this bill will increase the deficit by $599B. The CBO report to the majority leader their story linked to finds that number in a table:
NET CHANGES IN THE DEFICIT FROM INSURANCE COVERAGE PROVISIONS $599B,
they left out
OTHER PROVISIONS AFFECTING DIRECT SPENDING -$491B, and
OTHER PROVISIONS AFFECTING REVENUES -$238B.
Hmmm… 5th grade math: (599)(-491)(-238)=(-130) And you see on the CBO table: NET CHANGES IN THE DEFICIT -130.

They conclude:“CBO expects that, during the decade following the 10-year budget window, the increases and decreases in the federal budgetary commitment to health care stemming from this legislation would roughly balance out, so that there would be no significant change in that commitment. The range of uncertainty surrounding that assessment is quite wide, and the commitment could turn out to be higher or lower than under current law."

One difference between this bill and the one on the floor of the Senate is that H.R.3962 SEC. 330 says MEMBERS OF CONGRESS may enroll in the public health insurance option.
This one requires that the ONLY health plans that the Federal Government may make available to Members of Congress and congressional staff shall be health plans that are created under this Act, or offered through an Exchange established under this Act.