“The principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale.” —Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Taylor, 1816

hahaha you are a joke my friend

Sen. Ben Nelson said Tuesday it was a mistake for the Obama Administration to take on massive health care reforms in 2009, and suggested efforts would have been better spent addressing the economy.

YOU THINK! Man… how smart are these politicians we send to Washington, key word politicians, it about them not us. Vote out politicians and vote in experienced business men and women that are not career politicians. Think about it!

I understand that we will all be required to purchase health care or be fined and/or serve jail time if we do not. I have heard that one of the criteria for purchasing health care would be proof that everyones vaccinations were up to date, including the H1N1 shot. Does this not constitute mandatory forced vacinations on the citizens by the government? Is this the truth?
What if I do not want to have a swine flu shot due to the inability of anyone to really explain what is in the shot, as well as why so many people are dying from these shots in other countries right now. They are dropping left in right in the Ukraine under their forced mandatory vaccinations.
Is this just another step ny the Bilderberg Group to control the population growth in the new world order? No one should be forced to take a shot they do not want. Does anyone know if this is in the bill, as I heard it was!

581 in favor / 2217 opposed so far on this site. There was 75 people or so that worked in our facility before they deployed to Iraq and I knew of just 4 that supports this bill. Just Four.. And of all my friends that never had anything to do with the military, some of them have college degrees, run there own buisness, some just regular blue collar working folks. Not one of them wanted this bill to pass. Not one.. Just another burden placed on our nation by members of both parties that never listen to the citizens of this land..

Well said RW. Our so called representatives truly scare me. They believe the people do not know what is best for them, and that every aspect of their lives need to be governed. Seems somewhat like a monarchy… The question is, what to do about it. How long before Americans are pushed too far? By then will it be too late? I am a police officer, living in a tiny condo, paycheck to paycheck. I have no mortgage, no car payments, my kids are not in college, yet I am broke, because I am paying so many taxes and outrageous energy costs to support the latest fantasy or pet project in the great land of Maryland. It disgusts me. The last thing we need is more bloated government, and another government agency in charge of another aspect of my life. (healthcare)

I just joined and am not going to read through all of the pages of comments. What’s the point? All I know is there are those of us who are disabled to the point we aren’t able to work and very probably never be able to work, yet the Government wishes us to pay for Medicaid to the tune of $800.00 a month, which is almost half of our income. We therefore are unable to have health insurance. What I see now is the answer to health care is to make it a law that we buy health insurance to solve the problem. Great plan. I also see this country seems to be made up of many who pretty much feel folks such as myself are a burden on society. Thx for that. Maybe I should have a let a Viet Namese shoot me in the head while I was over there fighting for your right to consider me a burden on society. Simply put, our elected officials are only doing what their constituents are doing, looking out for themselves first and to hell with everyone else. It’s so nice to live in a civilized world.

All right, since you are already spooked, check out this scenario:

(http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=185145&messageID=1897582)

BOX 12: Technology & Virus of Dannion Brinkley’s Prophecy (http://www.qsl.net/w5www/brinkley.html)

“There was an even more sinister side to this chip. A person’s lifetime could be limited by programming this chip to dissolve & kill him with the viral substance it was made from. Lifetimes were controlled like this to avoid the cost that growing old places on the government. It was also used as a means of eliminating people with chronic illnesses that put a drain on the medical system. People who refused to have chips implanted in their bodies roamed as outcasts. They could not be employed & were denied government services.”

I can’t believe this GARBAGE legislation is making its way through congress when so many Americans are against it? Who are these senator’s, who are supposed to be representing American interest, listening to if not us? These kinds of politics make me SICK!! Our politicians have been bought off, obviously!!… but I suppose that’s old news. When will America be America again?

RESTORE THE REPUBLIC!!

I was going through the sections of this bill last night. It’s everything we’ve been fearing, and a whole lot more.

Here are a few examples for everyone:

Sec. 1501: Requirement to maintain minimum essential coverage. Requirement? I don’t need no stinking requirement. I have every right in the world to go outside the poor excuse that we have for a system.

Sec. 1502: Reporting of health insurance coverage. …Why? Last I checked, my insurance was my business. You don’t have the authority to force me to tell what I do and don’t have.

Sec. 1512: Employer requirement to inform employees of coverage options. Again: Why does this need to happen? The employer isn’t responsible for the individuals insurance. It’s up to the person in question to decide whether they want to look over their business.

That’s just a taste of the crap that’s in this bill. Anyone that supports this needs to get a reality check.

it’s a microchip. this is not communism, this is a dictatorship. http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/powder-keg/85063-obamacare-bill-suggests-data-chip-implants.html

If this is the Government Option, do you realize that they put in a provision for users of this program to be implanted with a microchip? Do you want to be chipped by your government? Big Brother is at your doorstep. I would wake up and ensure that you are not tracked like a slave. PLEASE READ>>> http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/powder-keg/85063-obamacare-bill-suggests-data-chip-implants.html

That is very true and a very good point. But there is a difference between Congress and Federal Employees. I didn’t really stipulate that before.

Keep in mind that although federal employees receive subsidized health care coverage (it ain’t free…), many fields receive a less pay than for an equivalent position in the private sector in exchange for more security and benefits such as this. TANSTAAFL, even there.

Yes, Employees of the Federal Government pay Federal Income taxes, or at least are required by law to do so.

If you go back several pages, you’ll see people complaining about all sorts of Government spending, including their health care plans and their life long government pensions.

BUT this is about the Health care bill that Congress is trying to shove down our throats, don’t get confused.

Actually, I do. I complain about all frivolous government spending, including Congress’s abuse of taxpayer dollars and the ludicrous pension plans.

I still notice that everyone who’s against this or any Health Care Reform Bill doesn’t complain one bit about our Senators, Congressmen, Federal Employees receiving Health Care Coverage on the back of all of us taxpayers. Why is that? Doesn’t any of you think that is wrong? Those Public Employees can actually afford to purchase their own insurance, why should we pay for it? Don’t they get enough from us in their salaries/wages? Also, I’m curious do any of those employees pay Federal income taxes?

For some reason I think Public Option, Abortion, Medicare— are just minor issues and there is something bigger at foot here, such as a National ID Card which would explain why everyone must be covered; everyone must carry their ID Card… smells like communism.

Anyone know what the Penalty is for not buying HC? I have read it was high, then lowered substantially, now where is it?

You know all of you JUST SAY NO opposers don’t complain one tiny bit about our tax dollars paying for our congressmen’s Health Care, why is that? It’s okay to pay for some of the most financially secure in this country’s Health Care but not for those the least financially seucre? Why is that? I say let them pay for their own health care insurance and help the least able to afford it instead.

According to supreme court precedent (US vs. Wong Kim Ark), Obama is a natural born citizen of the United States regardless of his parentage or any dual citizenship status as long as he was born within United States jursdiction and elected to retain his United States citizenship upon majority (with a couple of exceptions that don’t apply involving foreign occupation and ambassadors). This definition is inherited by our common law from the British at the time of the writing of the Constitution and is understood to be the original intent. There is no mythical requirement for his parents to both be citizens as most of the “birthers” claim.

I would be that the vast majority of these cases aren’t getting any traction because their arguments have no merit. If this case is granted certiorari (which I doubt), they’re going to have to somehow prove that he wasn’t born within the United States. Good luck…

A gift to BIG insurance company’s and NO I repeat NO PUBLIC OPTION Obama has failed the people.

Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the
Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obama’s legal
eligibility to serve as President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New
Jersey . This lawsuit claims Obama’s dual citizenship disqualified him from
serving as president. Donofrio’s case is just one of 18 suits brought by
citizens demanding proof of Obama’s citizenship or qualification to serve as
president.

JUST-SAY-NO TO OBAMA HEALTH CARE. The more you know about it the less you will like it.
http://biggovernment.com/2009/12/07/was-democrats-health-care-strategy-written-in-federal-prison/
by Joel B. Pollak

“It is a radical agenda, making use of Rep. Schakowsky’s public profile, a network of far-left organizations, and Creamer’s old friends in the White House. It began in federal prison, and has unfolded exactly as intended, over the protests of thousands of ordinary Americans across the nation. It will not end with health care. It will continue until Mr. Creamer’s Alinskyite dream of radical change is realized—or until voters stand up and put a stop to it….”

Barack Obama’s presidential job approval rating is 47% in the latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking update, a new low for his administration to date. His approval rating has been below 50% for much of the time since mid-November.
JUST-SAY-NO TO OBAMA/PELOSI CARE.

Grassley also opposes the idea of making people buy insurance. “This is in fact the first time in the 225-year history of our country that anybody said you had to buy anything.” Grassley countered the oft-used argument that states force people to buy car insurance by pointing out that states have far more power under the 10th Amendment than the federal government does.
Grassley also lambasted Democrats for refusing to consider tort reform that would protect doctors, nurses and hospitals from frivolous lawsuits that have crippled the practice of medicine.
“Can you believe it: There are Democrats who are defending no tort reform,” Grassley said. “How can you defend anything when the increased cost of medicine, about 10 percent of the cost of medicine, is just because doctors (are) afraid you’re going to sue them and they want to protect themselves from lawsuits.” Grassley said: “Ten percent of $2.3 trillion is $230 billion, and that’s real money being wasted.”

“Just stop to think of it: If you were 65 to 85 year old and you’ve been paying payroll taxes into the Medicare trust fund, wouldn’t you think it’s a little illegitimate to take money out of a trust fund to set up a program for people who didn’t buy insurance?” Grassley said. “Wouldn’t you expect them to assume their own responsibility for that?”
Many young people also will face the burden of rising premiums, Grassley said. “It’s quite a penalty.”
He’s concerned about $155 billion that will be taken away from hospitals. “We have a hard time keeping hospitals open in rural America, and it’s going to cause some of those hospitals probably to close.”

Sen. Chuck Grassley voiced plenty of criticism over the Democrats’ reform plan. Insurance premiums will rise 10 percent to 13 percent for people on individual rather than group plans, he said.
“They’re taxing Americans $500 billion, and they are taking $464 billion out of Medicare to give subsidies to other people,” Grassley said. “That’s about 7 percent of people who would benefit that the other 93 percent of people are paying for. So you can see when premiums go up for individuals, they tax 93 percent of the people to keep other people’s premiums down, this is really quite a charade.”
And the Medicare cuts are hurtful, Grassley said. “The Medicare trustees already say Medicare will be broke by 2017. So you have to think about the legitimacy of taking money out of Medicare . . . and putting it into a brand new program that subsidizes people who don’t have health insurance.

Heck, I’ve just come up with a brilliant plan! Something to make all you die hard socialists/ communists froth at the mouths… Lets just completely negate a paycheck it its entirety. Lets just give all our money to the Government and let them take care of us. Let the Government give you a house that you can never own, or land that you can never own, let the government feed you and ensure that your family’s mouths are fed. I mean seriously, at this rate you wont have any money to pay your bills with or feed your family with. Lets just give all our money to the Government now and save ourselves the pain of ever increasing taxes over the course of our life times.

The statement that “its even harder to get off government run programs once you’re on them” is completely false. It is all about personal motivation, not a Government black hole. Case and point, with in a year I was off all government run programs and now 8 years later, I have three degrees; including a Masters degree. To make the statement true, you’d have to reword it to say “once most people are on a government run system, they’re too lazy to get off of it”, meaning its way too easy to have someone else pay your bills for you.