H.R.3012 - Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act

To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to eliminate the per-country numerical limitation for employment-based immigrants, to increase the per-country numerical limitation for family-sponsored immigrants, and for other purposes. view all titles (4)

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  • Official: To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to eliminate the per-country numerical limitation for employment-based immigrants, to increase the per-country numerical limitation for family-sponsored immigrants, and for other purposes. as introduced.
  • Short: Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act as introduced.
  • Short: Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act of 2011 as reported to house.
  • Short: Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act of 2011 as passed house.

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SEKHARREDDY 10/24/2011 6:09pm

Please vote YES,

Like beloved Steve Jobs mentioned, this country needs an engineers who studied in here so the country can maintain the techinical competency when it comes to challenges..If you look at Steve Jobs auto biigraphy he clearly asked Obama to give green cards for the students

Just simple math: a Chef from different counrty getting GC, whereas a techie who studied here had to wait long time to get GC

ChateauSwan 12/01/2011 7:38pm
in reply to dalars Oct 21, 2011 8:40pm

I am with you. If the Indian posters really think they are “highly-skilled”, why dont they apply for EB-1, which is current for them?

Lzoccoli 10/27/2011 1:03pm

Please vote NO! The purpose of the country caps is to maintain the diversity of the American culture built over the centuries with immigrants from all over the world. Removing these caps will allow a huge influx of immigrants from overpopulated countries like China and India which will affect the balance of the immigration diversity in the country.

Americafirst 02/01/2012 8:19pm

The last thing AMERICA needs is MORE FOREIGN SCUM in USA. We cant seem to get rid of the FOREIGN CRIMINALS we have now!! We sure as hell dont need more of them! We lose 80,000 USA jobs per month to the legal foreigners alone!
My citizenship matters! When it does not – its civil war time!

New law- any US citizen can take a foreigners job at any time.

ak_gumpina 12/02/2011 4:16pm

“The Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act of 2011” does not raise the number of visas issued annually, but, by removing the limit on the number of visas issued to individuals from any one country, would begin to reduce the backlog of Indian and Chinese immigrants who currently have longer waiting times than other nationalities. Not coincidently, immigrants from these countries hail from the two most populous nations in the world, with economies that have risen as global competitors over the last decade. They also have some of the highest levels of educational attainment and income among immigrants in the United States. Bottom line: the migrants who would most benefit from this bill are viewed as the cream of the crop.

vishalbalchandani 10/28/2011 8:05am

This bill is designed to benefit large bodyshopping IT companies that apply in masses for their employees.
Will reduce the diversity in “skill set” as it favors a particular industry for particular countries

rnatesan21 11/07/2011 12:38pm

Please pass this bill. It is good for the US economy.

jpauche 01/12/2012 4:04pm
in reply to 4candid Jan 11, 2012 11:06pm

What about the H1B fraud that indian consultant firms are doing. People dont even have jobs but they file the H1B and sponsor them in EB2. How can we stop that? Why do we need more fraud Indian people and stop people from rest of the world coming to US.

JohnAdams77 10/24/2011 4:53pm

Please vote NO.

This bill does not solve the employment based immigration retrogression issue. This bill is basically just moving the problem from the left pocket to the right pocket. HR 3012 will only takes green cards from ROW (Rest of the World) and give them to Indian immigrants. What we need is visa recapture/increase employment based green cards.

contactsmitha 10/27/2011 4:12pm

This is a right step in the right direction after so long! There are countless bright and hardworking immigrants from India and China who pay taxes and contribute to the economy but are left unsettled by the status of their green cards just because of the country of the origin. I know of many people who are stuck with their employers and cannot get promotion or a salary raise while the person from another immigrant country does not have to go through this because they get their green cards faster. Imagine the plight of the person who has to go to India/china for some family emergency but still has to go through the visa stamping process and if the US consulate rejects he is stuck there. These are issues that a lot of people outside of the India/China immigrant community has not probably dealt with. This bill is a long time due…please support and pass this bill!!!

octavius_20 11/05/2011 5:14am

For those of you worried that this bill will drive down wages for American workers, it will not. In fact, if this bill is NOT passed, wages will continue to be driven down. Here’s what currently happens: Foreign Worker gets hired by H-1B and works for a company —> Knowing they can’t switch employers while their Green Card is in progress, company takes advantage of foreign worker for several years by paying them a lower salary —> US workers get priced out and wages get driven down. If this bill is passed, US employers will no longer be able to use the Green Card noose as a bargaining chip for 10+ years (since the GC process will be shortened to 2 – 3 years if the bill is passed). Result —> Wages for US and foreign workers alike go back up. Help pass this bill folks. It’s good for the US economy.

nextgenimmi 11/06/2011 9:03am
in reply to debug Oct 27, 2011 6:00pm

we are in line to become the next wave of citizens too. Infact our kids are first generation americans who blend like a melting pot and not like a salad bowl. see folks like you just don’t get the mechanics. engineers build things(silicon/defense equipments etc) in USA. Then we(as in USA) flood the ROW with these products and make our(USA) economy even stronger. Now, in that process the rich get richer(but that’s not the point).
So help us build this economy. There are atleast 50% immigrants who are not willing to take the risk of buying a house because of green-card issues.
Imagine the (positive)jolt we can give to this economy if the backlog was cleared in 12-18 months and we were to buy approximately half million dollar houses?

DrGeneNelson 03/21/2012 2:26am

Some posters made false claims that immigration law protects the career interests of American citizen technical professionals. Here is a powerful rebuttal:
Scamming Immigration Attorneys at Cohen & Grigsby (C&G) Screen Out Americans

This has become an incredibly popular video. There have been 408,299 views since June 16, 2007. Remember this is a video summary of C&G’s 2007 immigration presentation. Also, as the Department of Labor Strategic Plan Fiscal Years 2006-2011, available for download from Scribd.com, notes on pages 34-35, these protections do NOT apply to American workers being displaced by H-1Bs about 99% of the time. The employer can force the departing US worker to train their replacement as a condition of receiving their meager outplacement benefit. More than 37 million work visa admissions in just 5 high-skill programs between 1975-2010. The consequence is that millions of Americans are impoverished – Some die prematurely.

SamFriend 11/11/2011 6:22pm

Why the progress of this bill is taking so long, even when Committee of Judiciary experts passed it by Voice Vote for voting in House? My understanding is that, at committee level it takes time, considering, it takes time to analyze the matter by experts, and now that the analysis is done and ready, it should be straight decision making by House and by Senate? Why they are unnecessarily delaying the process? This bill (which is time-critical) hanging there from September. It has been 2 months now and no major progress, yet, eitheway ! ? !

Ajscott123 11/16/2011 10:25am
in reply to PGW182 Oct 17, 2011 10:04am

I would agree. Additionally, however, I think it is equally important to be concerned and invested in the rapid improvement of our education system.

rajgauravtiwari 12/27/2011 11:52am

Understandable people respond negatively to such a critical bill at a time for record unemployment. However, American economy is slowly but surely recuperating and with the recent string of reformist measures in Europe – 2012 is looking like much more pragmatic and less risky place. I’m confident US unemployment will drop to 5-6 % by July 2012.
However, every month delayed on this bill is excruciating especially for those with High talents and skills and who are contributing hugely to the American Intellectual and Competition industry in high skilled jobs! Waiting a decade on a lifeline is something that is impossible for someone not on such a wait created artifically longer because of per-country limits!

Imagine not being able to purchase your own house for years because you dont know when you’re time is up during the long wait for the Green Card! I do hope Senator Chuck Grassley looks beyond his viewpoint – this bill doesnt increase the core numbers – there’s no danger to US jobs.

nextgenimmi 11/23/2011 1:13pm
in reply to goksam Nov 23, 2011 8:22am

No, this bill doesn’t NOT freeze anything. It attempts to clear the existing backlog i) in a phased manner and ii) in 3 years.

when you say, “rest of the world EB3 have been waiting for 5-6 years …”, you are conveniently skipping the fact that in the rest-of-the-world(ROW) category, as of now, only Mexico AND PHILIPPINES are backlogged. But they are backlogged only till 2006. While India is backlogged till 2002 and China till 2004.

And this is precisely the reason why I posted all the statistics in earlier comments. If you are unable to understand those numbers and the reasoning behind it then there’s nothing we can do to, sorry. Again, starting from 2007, your ROW category has applications in 3 digits, literally around 500, every year till 2011. So given this 3 digit number and your 2006 backlog for Mexico/Phil, you can do the math yourself and will realize that your fact-twisting logic falls flat on it’s face.

First come first served(or a FIFO queue – first in first out) = FAIR.

nextgenimmi 11/29/2011 1:07pm
in reply to iredkozubov Nov 28, 2011 1:46pm

The bill also tries to increase per-country limit for family based immigration that will benefit Mexico/Philippines. Why aren’t you complaining about that? So it seems like a uni-directional bashing towards India/China?
Let’s focus on building the next big thing, shall we?

Does the current system really ensure fairness? As someone quoted earlier, if you walk into a restaurant, then should you be asked to wait just because of your ethnicity?

Let the best talent win. Talk to any silicon valley or high-tech recruiter and he/she will tell you that they recruit candidates based on their skill-sets and not on their country of origin. Diversity in a high-tech
company comes from diverse: skill-sets, disciplines(math,Computer Science,Electrical engineering,operations research and so on), experiences/stints.

You need diverse cooks/chefs(from mainland) in a continental kitchen in order to make a traditional entree. This doesn’t hold true for engineering jobs.

iredkozubov 11/28/2011 1:46pm
in reply to eagle123 Oct 18, 2011 5:03pm

Current system insures the fair diversity. That means that even amount of visa’s issued to all countries. With the new system countries with bigger populations (India, China, etc..) will get an advantage over other countries, as they would consume the most amount of visas.

SamFriend 11/29/2011 3:23pm

The modified speech:

“Let us not wallow in the valley of despair, I say to you today, my friends.

And so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal (regardless of their race, origin etc.).”

I have a dream that one day on the silicon valley, all the talents from India, China will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood solving our nation’s critical problems, helping humanity along with our fellow U.S. Citizens.

I have a dream that our children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged for the employment by the country of their birth but by the content of their character, talents, and skills.

I have a dream today! This is our hope, and this is the faith that I go back to the Washington with."

nextgenimmi 12/02/2011 12:00pm
in reply to ChateauSwan Dec 01, 2011 7:25pm

Occupy US? Really? These aren’t FOBs who came here 6 months ago.

As someone quoted – We are talking about giving green cards to those who are legally in this country. They drive on the same roads as others, pay the same taxes, their children go to the same school as others. All we are talking about is changing their status from temporary to a permanent resident. So where are we losing diversity? About unemployment – giving them a GC does not mean they will take up a new job. They are already working. So the overall employment number remains the same.

And now if you are complaining about unfairness in the game, where in the world do you think a first-come-first-served(FIFO queue – first in first out) rule is wrong?

India and China are excluded from the diversity visa (DV) program. The DV folks who come here often rely on welfare benefits. Don’t they hurt our welfare funds? Funds which are actually needed for senior citizens. Why don’t you raise your voice then?

nextgenimmi 11/06/2011 8:49am
in reply to dalars Oct 21, 2011 8:40pm

relax. capitalizing words like ‘CHEAP’ is not going to prove your point. pls stop drinking the haterade. Seems you have missed the whole point of this bill. yes, visa is practically instant but not the residency card. you are mixing 2 different things. BTW – there’s something called PWD phase in the initial stages while applying for a green-card. The PWD is determined by the labor dept etc. So if you are being hired at ‘cheap’ rates then your application get’s rejected right away. blue-collar jobs are plenty in countries like india/china. Now tell me, why would I migrate from india/china, invest $20K-$30K for a grad school and work at cheap rates?

sxfx 08/04/2012 4:40am

The bill eliminates diversity in the skilled immigrant categories. It benefits India and China but is detrimental to immigrants from every other country in the world. For every Indian or Chinese worker who sees their green card wait shortened, an immigrant from Canada, Australia, any European country, Japan, Brazil, Malaysia (the list goes on and on…) will see their wait time correspondingly lengthen.

China and India, the largest two nations on earth, have enough people to completely overwhelm the immigration system. If HR.3012 passes, immigrants from smaller countries don’t stand a chance.

This bill is ill-conceived legislation and it deserves to fail.

NOHR3012 06/25/2012 2:28am

Lies spread by HR 3012 proponents:
- India/China only gets 7% employment visa:
WRONG! Every year India alone gets 21-22% visas- because unused visas from other categories fall in their pocket.
- HR 3012 reforms the employment based immigration for better:
WRONG! It practically allocates pretty much all visas to India and China only for the next three years- all other countries will suffer a 6 year additional wait time on the average.
- Some green card applicants from India may suffer a 70 year waiting period:
WRONG! The worst category in employment based immigration has a waiting period of 9 years now, which will be further reduced as a direct consequence of the visa spillover rule.
- HR 3012 will bring fairness to immigration by eliminating country limits:
WRONG! The bill will be unfair to those from all other countries facing an additional 5/6 years of waiting period.
The educated workforce diversity will be at stake.

brower 09/24/2012 6:08pm

This legislation will favor Chinese and Indian workers. I have no issue with such people looking for a better life in the U.S., but as it is now it is at the expense of the American quality of life: such workers are paid significantly less than American counterparts, and are often subject to more over time, being perpetually on call, etc etc.

Plenty of studies make this transparent. E.g.
http://www.workpermit.com/news/2005_10_26/us/us_h1b_visa_holders_earn_less.htm

If any regulation is needed in this area, it is that which gives these workers equal compensation to the Americans they are displacing (whether Americans are entitled to having priority for these jobs is a completely different issue). But if such regulation were on the table, then special interests would no longer contribute $100,000s to the bill’s supporters—instead giving it to their competitors

Again, the issue is money in politics. The solution is Disclose Act, repeal of Citizens United, Publicly funded Elections.

Oldentimes 11/18/2011 1:45am
in reply to Ajscott123 Nov 16, 2011 10:25am

In addition to the green cards, the government issued 881,840 temporary work visas and gave refugee or asylum status to 96,721 aliens. The total increase to the American workforce was 1.75 million foreign workers. According to the Census Bureau, 1 out of every 6 workers is foreign born.

Source: Immigration Skyrockets as Americans Lose Their Jobs
by Virgil Goode

iredkozubov 11/28/2011 1:43pm
in reply to octavius_20 Oct 25, 2011 2:07pm

So who’s going to create this new “skill judging” system?

nextgenimmi 11/10/2011 12:32pm

Visa numbers/statistics speak louder than words

Comment 2: <2.1> continued

legend:
green-card applications: GCA

2007:
total GCA: 98754, certified GCA: 85111, Denied GCA: 10581 Withdrawn:3060 (withdrawn are not so important. So it will be ignored in the next few lines)

2008:
total GCA: 61998, certified GCA:49205, Denied GCA: 10729

2009:
total GCA: 38247, certified GCA:29502, Denied GCA:5356

2010:
total GCA: 81412, certified GCA: 70237, Denied GCA:8439

Now let’s look at per-country numbers:

2007:
India : 24573(28%) , China:6846, Mexica:6442, SKorea:5159, Canada:4837, Philipines:4821, (UK,Taiwan,Pakistan,Colombia,Brazil,Japan,Poland etc):anywhere between 1000-2000

2008:
India: 7197(15%), (China/Mexico/…/UK/Taiwan/Poland) : anywhere between 500 -1000

2009:
India: 6403(21%), (China/Mexico/…/Poland) : 500 -1000

2010:
India:14872(21%), (China/Mexico/../Poland) : 500 – 1000

Comment 2: <2.1> discontinued due to word length limit.

nextgenimmi 12/02/2011 11:33am
in reply to ChateauSwan Dec 01, 2011 7:38pm

In response to “I am with you. If the Indian posters really think they are “highly-skilled”, why dont they apply for EB-1, which is current for them?”

let me tell you how the industry actually works because you seem to be living in a disney world.

EB1-worthy candidates can sponsor themselves. They don’t need an employer.

EB2/EB3 – it doesn’t really depend on what you want but rather what your employer wants. They will put you in the EB3 queue because the wait is longer and you will be forced to work for them.

So, it’s now always about what you want and what you can do.

Americafirst 02/01/2012 8:21pm
in reply to venna Dec 01, 2011 10:10am

What do you say to the US Citizen that wants that house? In his OWN country!
Go home. Go FUCK yourself.


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