H.R.589 - Emergency Unemployment Compensation Expansion Act of 2011

To amend title IV of the Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2008 to provide for additional weeks of first-tier emergency unemployment compensation, and for other purposes. view all titles (4)

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  • Official: To amend title IV of the Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2008 to provide for additional weeks of first-tier emergency unemployment compensation, and for other purposes. as introduced.
  • Popular: Emergency Unemployment Compensation Expansion Act as introduced.
  • Popular: Emergency Unemployment Compensation Expansion Act of 2011 as introduced.
  • Short: Emergency Unemployment Compensation Expansion Act of 2011 as introduced.

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fakk2 02/13/2011 8:12am
in reply to Legion1 Feb 12, 2011 7:41pm

“You try moving when you’re penniless”

I did. It sucked. I got over it. I agree that it’s going to be a LONG and rough road, and I don’t wish ill will out of spite on anyone. But I also don’t think we need to extend UI. It’s already almost 2 years, at some point, people become “terminally unemployed” and if we allow this many people to do that now, we’re screwed. The extentions have to stop somewhere and it should stop here.

adamaiken 02/13/2011 8:11am

I just don’t understand why it matters if ONE IGNORAMUS doesn’t get it.
Obviously, this IGNORAMUS is incapable of understanding.
Why waste time over an IGNORAMUS. There are more important matters to attend to. Let the IGNORAMUS box with its own shadow.

fakk2 02/13/2011 8:05am
in reply to Legion1 Feb 12, 2011 8:30pm

Not trying to say you’re wrong, only attempting to add to it, I think it’s also partially our fault we let this happen. We’ve sat on the sidelines too long and it’s time for us to take our government back.

fakk2 02/13/2011 8:03am
in reply to fakk2 Feb 13, 2011 8:03am

As far as Congress goes, I can see where you’re coming from on this, and I feel the same way (that they pushed jobs out of USA), but is it really this legislature’s fault, or is it those that came before that aided and abetted to get us where we are?

fakk2 02/13/2011 8:03am
in reply to fakk2 Feb 13, 2011 8:03am

So, here’s the UI facts for you related to FUTA:

1.) Domestic employees don’t pay into FUTA. It’s not held out of our wages. We don’t pay it, only employers do.
2.) Over $390 billion has been spent on the unemployed in the last 2 years (beginning 2008 to end of 2010). This means 2.995 times as much money has been paid out as has been put in.
3.) “it is our right to collect unemployment”. We’re only guaranteed Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness as unalienable rights. Nowhere does our Constitution guarantee the right of being paid while not working. So yes, getting something for nothing is asking for a handout. If we had paid out what was put in and nothing more, then it’s not a handout because it was paid in for us. But since almost 3x as much has been paid compared to what’s invested, it becomes a handout, or a bailout, whichever term you prefer.

fakk2 02/13/2011 8:03am
in reply to Legion1 Feb 12, 2011 8:20pm

Legion,

Is FUTA really the best argument you have? Here’s FUTA for you:

1.) Using conservative figures, let’s assume all employers pay a full 6.2% FUTA on the payroll of $7,000. This equals $434/year.
2.) An employee working 20 years for the same company, never taking UI before would have accrued an employer pay-in of $8,680.
3.) Assuming all unemployed work for same amount of time (20 years) an got laid off at the same time (2008), total government payout for wages put in for 15 million unemployed = $130.2 billion.
4.) Considering most employers pay much less than the full 6.2% FUTA, even less has actually been paid in that what was stated above.

sclark113 02/13/2011 7:50am
in reply to fakk2 Feb 13, 2011 7:20am

fakk2 – I can see that you are very resolute in you position, but I would ask that you read the article below as my rebuttal to your recent post – McDonald’s, Burger King, Wendy’s, Subway, Quizno’s, Dairy Queen, et all can’t even come close to providing enough jobs even if they fired every single one of their existing employees and hired only the unemployed!

2010 Unemployment Extension – a Proper Perspective

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5569216/2010_unemployment_extension_a_proper.html?cat=9

fakk2 02/13/2011 7:20am
in reply to fakk2 Feb 13, 2011 7:19am

And yes, I do believe in charity. But I believe those receiving charity after so much has been spent for them have a duty to prove they’re worthy of further charity. I would love to see where government doesn’t payout unemployment because it doesn’t need to b/c those unemployed are receiving help from their neighbors in more of an amount than the government would provide. Those days are far behind us though.

fakk2 02/13/2011 7:19am
in reply to fakk2 Feb 13, 2011 7:19am

“your answer is to just throw them to the wolves???” Actually, my answer is to not spend any more money because nowhere in the Constitution does it say someone is owed a home or a job. We’ve already spent what was put in, now is the time to cutoff the handout. We have to fight for that ourselves. Life is hard.

If we raise it from 99 weeks to 113, the government has to pay for it. Which means they have to take money from businesses, which mean those businesses will have less money for jobs, which may mean more unemployed. It’s a cyclical effect and it should end. It sucks to be unemployed for 2 years, but if it’s a choice between them or those with a job, I fight for those working so the problem doesn’t get worse.

fakk2 02/13/2011 7:19am
in reply to sclark113 Feb 13, 2011 4:22am

Here’s the facts:

1.) 99 weeks of unemployment = 95.19% of 2 years.
2.) Unemployed for 27 weeks or longer = 6.210 million
3.) Total unemployes as of Jan 2011 = 14.842 million
4.) FUTA for 6.210 million individuals making $100,000/year for 20 years = $99.36 billion.
5.) FUTA for 14.842 million individuals making $100,000/year for 20 years = $237.472 billion.
6.) Over $390 billion has already been spent on unemployment during the past 2 years
7.) $390 billion is ~3.93 times the amount paid in for 6.210 million individuals and ~1.64 times the amount paid in for 14.842 individuals, all things being equal

“The vast majority of the long term unemployed…would jump at that minimum wage job”, if that’s the case, then why aren’t they out there working in fields for food and why is there such a large amount of turnaround at fast food and retail industries if “highly trained” professionals are willing to work for minimum wage?

adamaiken 02/13/2011 4:53am

‘That document was created by men who lived under a tyrannical ruler’…..too bad they could not identify with the slaves they owned and make the association about their own tyranny.

adamaiken 02/13/2011 4:45am

Concocting the illusion of me spitting on our forefather’s graves (who by the way, most of those forefathers were slave owners, I suppose that should be upheld as well according to your warped way thinking), is a puerile attempt at diverting attention from the actual argument at hand which is that you are ignoring what is current and expedient and obvious.

adamaiken 02/13/2011 4:38am
in reply to fakk2 Feb 13, 2011 4:36am

What you just stated is infantile jibberish. You are obviously incapable of moving beyond rudimentary analysis. You are a prime example of how our education system has failed us. There is obviously no hope for you but I see it is a total waste of time engaging in discourse with such an idiot.

fakk2 02/13/2011 4:36am
in reply to fakk2 Feb 13, 2011 4:36am

“Anyone who would suppose that a document written in the 1700s in an era of very different circumstances on so many levels, should be adhered to in the 21st century is dealing in fantasy…”
—That, document, is what our country was founded upon. That document was created by men who lived under a tyrannical ruler. That document was created to give each American no matter their circumstances, freedom. And that document is what we are dying for every day. When you so callously throw it aside in favor of your own greed to have someone pay you something you’re not owed, you spit upon the graves of everyone who has died for that document and died for our flag.

fakk2 02/13/2011 4:36am
in reply to adamaiken Feb 13, 2011 3:40am

Adamaiken,

C’mon, don’t be sad that you have no good argument. Like I said before, I hope for a true republic, a rule of law, where the federal government is limited, and state governments make most of the laws, and the good will of the people in each state watchdog those legislatures for corruption and tyranny. In saying that, our constitution can be amended. I have no problem with making a constitutional amendment granting 10 years of unemployment if that’s what the people in the “several states” vote for.

sclark113 02/13/2011 4:22am
in reply to fakk2 Feb 12, 2011 5:17pm

fakk2

I can’t help but think that you are operating on some very seriously erroneous information. I don’t know what your history is on boards such as this one, but you have the long term unemployed figured out all wrong. The vast majority of the long term unemployed, especially the 99ers that have no income stream whatsoever now, would jump at that minimum wage job that you say they think is beneath them. By far the lion’s share of people on this board would take a job, any job over continued unemployment benefits.

The 99ers have already lost it all, homes, cars, sold any possessions of any value, most are living from hand to mouth – do you seriously think that these people just want to hang around in desperation just for an unemployment expansion? Fact – 5 people for every job, full time or part time, minimum wage or not – do the math 4 out of 5 will still be left jobless, and your answer is to just throw them to the wolves???

adamaiken 02/13/2011 3:40am
in reply to fakk2 Feb 12, 2011 6:32am

Anyone who would suppose that a document written in the 1700s in an era of very different circumstances on so many levels, should be adhered to in the 21st century is dealing in fantasy and a dangerous one at that. Many amendments were made to this initial drafting because of advances in the many different facets of our lives and due to the uncountable contingencies that arose in connection to general progress. I am speaking about technological and scientific advances and socialistic contingencies as an outcome of the aforementioned etc. I would suppose that according to your mode of thinking we should also adhere to the Bible’s strictures and stone prostitutes to death and hang homosexuals by their genitals!

sclark113 02/13/2011 3:14am

An interview with Gerry DePietro, a 99er advocate that recently met with her Congressman, went to Washington D.C. for the introduction of H.R. 589, and who will be interviewed on the Ed Show by Ed Schultz Monday night at 10:00 PM (EST) on MSNBC.

Link for BlogTalkRadio program from 3:00-3:30 PM (EST) to listen live (podcast will be available shortly after the show is completed).

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/tier5for99ers/2011/02/13/discussion-on-hr-589-unempolyment-expansion-bill

You can leave questions during the show in the comments section or use the call-in Number: (805) 285-9728 to ask questions during the show and we will do our very best to field your questions.

sclark113 02/13/2011 2:39am
in reply to Sher1 Feb 13, 2011 2:12am

Hi Sher1

We all know that this battle will not be won if we just sit on the sidelines, that’s for sure, but I think we are up for it! I have heard that Rep. Barbara Lee have stated that they have some methods to offset the cost of the bill if need be so that is great news as I think that’s what will wind up being the difference maker. With 60 co-sponsors now, all democrats, we need to get some republicans on board, and I think the only way many of them will move with today’s “cut, cut, cut” mentality is if offsets can be found. IMO

sclark113 02/13/2011 2:30am

You know who you are!!!! Just my way of taking a moment to say thank you for all that you are doing!

2011 Unemployment Extension – Time to Thank the Advocates for the 99ers

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/7750320/2011_unemployment_extension_time_to.html

Sher1 02/13/2011 2:12am
in reply to sclark113 Feb 12, 2011 3:09pm

I saw some poster say “Its a uphill battle but a battle that can be won”

Legion1 02/12/2011 8:37pm

I’d be willing to bet you’re not even unemployed “fakk2” & you’re here not for any type of serious discussion but rather just to cause trouble. I also consider it a safe bet that you’re at least one of the “7” negative vote against this bill. Try walking in our shoes, you won’t like how they fit.

Legion1 02/12/2011 8:30pm
in reply to Legion1 Feb 12, 2011 8:20pm

When GM started moving jobs to Mexico, did the price of Chevy’s go down? No

Were tax breaks given to big PHARMA to move operations to the Carri-bean? Yes

Was Rebok allowed to sell shoes in the US made in Thailand (for pennies) for $150 to $200 a pair? Yes.

Is there any TV’s made in America anymore? No

Are there any clothes made in the now abandoned textile mills of America? No

Does Wal-Mart sell anything Made in America besides some foodstuffs? I don’t think so.

Who allowed industry after industry to leave America for ever increasing profits, cheap labor, no benefits, no consideration of or regard for pollution? Congress

Traitors to the American family/citizens.

Traitors are shot

Legion1 02/12/2011 8:20pm
in reply to fakk2 Feb 12, 2011 6:53pm

Now for my not so friendly side.

By your logic, your dad & your son must be an idiot because that’s exactly what you are, an idiot.

A handout? That’s how you see this? Due to our employment, employers are charge a tax. That tax (FUTA) is to cover unemployment. By our work, it is our right to collect unemployment. It is not a handout. Employers made much more profit from our labors than they have paid in via FUTA.

For 40 years, Congress has done whatever it could to aid American jobs leaving America & doing nothing to stop them from going. All in the name of profit for corporate America. In aiding & abetting corporate America in gutting American jobs, IMO, Congress is traitors to the citizens of America. Traitors are shot.

Legion1 02/12/2011 7:41pm
in reply to fakk2 Feb 12, 2011 6:53pm

Tell you what “fakk2”…go try what you suggest. Make sure to put on the application that you’ve been out of work 1,2,3,4 years. See if you get called, bet you don’t. Go try the same thing at the Temp places, bet you don’t get a call from them either. Go to the fast food places and see how many older adults are working for them, bet you don’t see many.

Maybe I got a little carried away with saying they know when enough jobs are coming back, however by all estimates, it’s going to be at least 2 years until there’s much of a change.

You try moving when you’re penniless.

Legion1 02/12/2011 7:31pm

The Congressional Budget Office report entitled, “Policies for Increasing Economic Growth and Employment in 2010 and 2011”* estimated that increasing aid to the unemployed “would raise output cumulatively between 2010 and 2015 by $0.70 to $1.90 per dollar of total budgetary cost.

The CBO also estimates that extending unemployment benefits would add 8 to 19 cumulative years of full-time-equivalent employment per million dollars of total budgetary cost.* HR589 will effectively serve this purpose.

According to CBO, increased aid to the unemployed is more cost effective boosting economic growth and employment than a variety of other policies under consideration.

There is only 1 job for every 5 unemployed persons, and 42% of all unemployed have been unemployed for over 6 months, with 21.9% unemployed for over 1 year.**

IHS Global Insight predicts the total number of jobs in the U.S. won’t return to prerecession levels until 2013, that doesn’t account for growth in the labor force.

fakk2 02/12/2011 6:53pm
in reply to fakk2 Feb 12, 2011 6:53pm

And how can one talk about killing people to get a handout? Especially when it’s about congressmen, how is that appropriate? We don’t live in Russia where it’s the government’s responsibility to give people jobs because if we did, how much you want to bet that if your dad was a ditch digger, you’d be a ditch digger, and your son would be too.

fakk2 02/12/2011 6:53pm
in reply to Legion1 Feb 12, 2011 5:46pm

So, “they know exactly when there will be enough jobs for anyone who is still able & wants to work.” Really? How? Where’s the proof of this? In fact, how can they know that when most companies in each zip code don’t report to the government when they’re looking for employees? I don’t know of any small or medium sized businesses that report that to the government, and there’s still a large amount of turnaround at places in fast food and retail industries. Even though working for $7.25/hr at these places is better than begging on the street, why is there such a large turnaround? Can someone honestly say a “99 weeker” can’t get a job at a gas station, or McDonald’s, or Wal-Mart? If they’re so “overly qualified” then they should be getting these jobs, even if they have to move to do so. So here’s the question, why are those on long-term unemployment still believing these jobs are “beneath them” so to say when working for minimum wage allows you to keep your pride more than begging?

ssari30 02/12/2011 6:23pm

“Legion1” I agree with you 100%! And if this doesn’t pass. They will have a full scale problem on there hands. That will be a lot worse then what happened in Arizona.

Legion1 02/12/2011 5:46pm
in reply to ssari30 Feb 12, 2011 3:29pm

“ssari30” you have got that exactly right. The arrogant assholes (Congress & ‘pubs in particular) know exactly what’s going on out here. They can see, read & hear. They know how many jobs are available & they know exactly how many American citizens are unemployed & they know exactly when there will be enough jobs for anyone who is still able & wants to work. They (Congress) have heard all the expert testimony & seen all the expert reports. What we need in the White House is a true independent like Ross Perot would have been, someone that will slam these children, pretending to be adults, heads together & order them to start solving America’s problems. These pricks will do nothing until what just happened in Egypt happens here. I have said it before & I’ll say it again every one of these bastards, ’dems & ’pubs, needs to be taken out & shot. I hope Americans have the nards to do soon what the Egyptians have just done this past week. That, IMO, is the only thing Congress will understand.


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