H.R.1388 - The Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act

To reauthorize and reform the national service laws. view all titles (15)

All Bill Titles

  • Short: Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act as introduced.
  • Popular: GIVE Act as introduced.
  • Short: Congressional Commission on Civic Service Act as introduced.
  • Official: To reauthorize and reform the national service laws. as introduced.
  • Short: GIVE Act as introduced.
  • Official: A bill entitled "The Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act, an Act to reauthorize and reform the national service laws." as amended by senate.
  • Short: Congressional Commission on Civic Service Act as reported to house.
  • Short: Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act as reported to house.
  • Short: GIVE Act as reported to house.
  • Short: Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act as passed house.
  • Short: GIVE Act as passed house.
  • Popular: The Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act as introduced.
  • Short: Serve America Act as passed senate.
  • Short: Serve America Act as enacted.
  • Official: A bill entitled "The Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act, an Act to reauthorize and reform the national service laws." as introduced.

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HaggisGhillie 03/19/2009 6:47am
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in reply to mpaone Mar 17, 2009 12:23pm

What about section 6104…“(6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable MANDATORY SERVICE requirement for all able young people could be developed…” [emphasis mine] Read the bill!

deborahg6 03/18/2009 2:00pm
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in reply to marsbars Mar 18, 2009 5:45am

As a person against this bill, I would like to state that I understand the intention of this bill. I have been watching this issue since President Obama mentioned his desire to provide a “service” program from before his election. I even read his entire proposal on his own website, which has since been altered.

deborahg6 03/16/2009 6:49am
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in reply to deborahg6 Mar 15, 2009 10:39pm

The 13th Amendment
Section I. “Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.”
Section II. “Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.”

WA_patriot 03/19/2009 12:47pm
in reply to mpaone Mar 17, 2009 12:23pm

How about section 120(3)(b)
‘(B) service-learning is a mandatory part of the curriculum in all of the secondary schools served by the local educational agency.

The federal government has already ‘educated’ our children from 1st in the world down to 24th since the inception of the Department of Education.

Now they’re trying to screw up our kids even more. When is enough going to be enough!

meliorism 03/24/2009 1:46pm

Perhaps we are so long removed from the origination of a free society that we have forgotten its price. Perhaps we have forgotten what freedom is: the absence of government coercion. Perhaps we have forgotten that truly beneficial policies almost always stand on their own merit, without the aid of massive government enforcement agencies.

Perhaps we have begun to take liberty for granted, so we allow it to be chiseled away each year by just a few more taxes, just a few more regulations, just a few more unconstitutional spending programs, just a few more harmless potheads turned into untouchable felons, just a few more unwarranted surveillance operations, just a few more troops on our streets to suppress the political dissenters, just a few more unfounded arrests and detainment’s, just a few more unnecessary casualties in the never-ending war for universal authority, just a few more computerized balloting systems, and just a little bit more government control.

rogue780 04/07/2009 12:47pm
in reply to adam1840 Mar 23, 2009 9:37am

Too bad it may violate the 13th amendment. Read the constitution:

“Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.”

IMO this constitutes involuntary servitude.

DJSforUSA 03/24/2009 2:44pm

meliorism, love your statements, they are ever so true.

When un-involved Americans, and those who support this bill wake up one morning and find they can’t even walk down the street without permission, they will ask, “What’s going on?, What Happened?, Where are you taking me?, Where are my children?, What have you done with them?”

“A CENTRALIZED ELECTRONIC CITIZENSHIP VERIFICATION SYSTEM” wording is also included in this bill.
For those of you who Agree with this bill, Please just move to a Country that is already totally controlled by it’s government, you will be much happier there!

njnan 04/23/2009 9:10am
in reply to deborahg6 Mar 18, 2009 2:00pm

Anyone who is not opposed to this bill, and especially those whom view the Constitution of the United States as outdated (more propaganda, as is that there is a difference between the 2 parties), need to do a bit of research into the history of Hitler and his Brownshirts. There is a wise saying which stands the test of time because it is periodically forgotten, and always to the detriment of free people – Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it. This bill is an oxymoron to the definition of volunteering. Promoted by historically tested propaganda, the true intentions of the bill is none other than to indoctrinate the younger generation into a collectivist mindset, and then channeling their time and effort into projects approved by the state.

Seqoia32 03/22/2009 12:19pm
in reply to HaggisGhillie Mar 19, 2009 6:47am

Are we reading the same bill, H.R.1388, the GIVE Act?

I find no “6104” and nothing about a “mandatory requirement”.

osborn9 03/25/2009 3:30pm
in reply to mpaone Mar 17, 2009 12:23pm

Can someone PLEASE give me a logical explaination why it should cost the taxpayers $100,000,000 the first year of this bill for volunteers? Does that not suck the wind out of the very notion? I guess the taxpayers are “volunteering” more money to the government. This bill is not some dumb, its plumb dumb.

Curly 03/25/2009 5:31am
in reply to mpaone Mar 17, 2009 12:23pm

“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.”
Ronald Reagan

Don’t read the bill for what it says now, read it for how it can be expanded by the President in the future.

meliorism 03/24/2009 1:46pm

After all, most of us feel we can still go about our business uninterrupted by these controls and live adequately, if not freely. I fear now that by the time we realize that this is no longer true, by the time our old friends and fellow citizens–educated, hard-working, freedom-loving people of integrity–are declared dangerous enemies of the state, it will be too late to change the authoritarian direction of our nation, and it will be easier for us to act nationalistic and tolerated, silent and unencumbered, compliant and alive, than to be honest and endangered, righteous and imprisoned, patriotic and dead.

The false patriots will have won, successfully driving freedom out of the only safe harbor it has ever known. American freedom, having long treaded in tempestuous weather, is drowning in the vast seas of prosperity and contentment it produced. Its only lifeline is We The People.

deborahg6 03/24/2009 1:24pm

litesalt ~ No one is distributing misinformation about Americorps. We’re talking about the bill, H.R.1388, right?

I’m saddended that Americorps. is one of the particular groups that this agenda is hidden behind. There’s no misinformation. President Obama and Mr. Emmanuel have made no bones about what they intend to do.

People have every right to question and voice their opinion in regard to tax payer monies and their children’s future. If there’s complete integrity in this bill, then let’s debate it openly. But don’t legislate money and questionable verbage into “stimulus packages” and bills while quickly slipping it under the radar screen and expect people not to react. The frenzy is a result of this administration’s lack of honest communication and leadership.

meliorism 03/24/2009 1:43pm

The concept of mandatory national service is a direct violation of the 13th amendment. More to the point, the services we are ordered to “volunteer” are the ones we were told our taxes were paying for. So where did the money go? Why are we paying taxes for services we are now expected to do for ourselves?

jetlink120 03/24/2009 7:18pm
in reply to Seqoia32 Mar 22, 2009 12:19pm

If you look at the bill in the Library of Congress record, you will see that the bill was introduced in the House with Title VI; Sec 6104 (Duties). It specifically outlines the author’s interest in MANDATORY SERVICE. It was struck before being voted on. Things that make you go hmmmmmm.

deborahg6 03/18/2009 6:09am

My son worked at a fast food restaurant, while getting paid, for the summer and received scholarship money from his employer for his education. In fact, he paid for two years of his college this way and had a little bit of money to add to the economy. Let the American people do what they do best, work hard, create innovative incentives, freely volunteer their time and resources. It is not the government’s responsibility to do this. This particular bill outlines where students, veterans, and retirees will be serving and for how long. We do not need layer upon layer of government programs…that is not their role.

DJSforUSA 03/24/2009 1:17pm

Americans need to wake up and realize all socialized programs do, is take away Freedom & Liberty from themselves!
The Federal government needs to get out of the business of schools and socialized programs. They have just about destroyed our schools with all their regulations, etc.

“Do not separate text from historical background. If you do, you will have perverted and subverted the Constitution, which can only end in a distorted, bastardized form of illegitimate government”. – James Madison

“The policy of the American government is to leave their citizens free, neither restraining nor aiding them in their pursuits”.- Thomas Jefferson

njnan 04/23/2009 9:01am
in reply to njnan Apr 23, 2009 9:01am

Take off your rose-colored glasses before you study this bill. It’s utterly frightening! Public education (our government schools) has groomed over two generations of brainwashed teachers now unknowingly passing the ‘collective/submissive’ propaganda down to today’s children. If you are still not convinced that a dictatorialship is knocking at the front door, google: ‘fbi spied tea party’, ‘dhs right-winged terrorists’, ‘miac retracts report’, ‘Lt Colonel Allen West on Michael Savage’, ‘pavlov conditioning education’, ‘who owns the media’. You must search for the truth, which now a days is very hard to accept or believe because it is just so Orwellian!

DianaAmerican 04/07/2009 5:49pm
in reply to Seqoia32 Mar 22, 2009 12:19pm

They are getting there. Sometimes in writing Bills they have to lay the ground work. Another layer of this bill you might wnat to look at is H.R.1444.

It is to set up a commission to study how they can make national service and other purposes a mandated service.

And don’t worry they have included as part of their studies, awareness development by creating, expanding, and promoting these service options, which they want to make mandatory, to include Primary and Secondary school students.

Lara1967 04/24/2009 12:13am
in reply to mbvpixies78 Mar 30, 2009 8:19pm

If you as a Parent doesnt know how to teach your children how to be civil with others, it tells others you shouldnt have reproduce in the first place.

The children are suppose to learn that at home, not be forced by the goverment.

cklaszky 05/02/2009 6:50am
in reply to njnan Apr 23, 2009 9:10am

Not to mention the fact that it will cost us $5.7 BILLION. AND that there are provisions for special considerations for various minority groups. Ridiculous, bloated legislature from the Dems. Incredible.

Bristow 03/18/2009 6:07am

This bill makes service learning hours mandatory for secondary schools (Section 120b3b) and funds a study to determine if mandatory volunteer service for all young people can be developed. (Section 6104b6) This bill as written makes volunteer hours mandatory for children in public school and funds exploring the idea of expanding mandatory service for all young citizens. So mandatory service is certainly in this bill as currently written, unless a child attends a private school or is home schooled.

LeeE 04/23/2009 8:16am
in reply to deborahg6 Mar 18, 2009 2:00pm

You are exactly correct. This version is only the beginning.

deborahg6 03/18/2009 1:55pm
in reply to mpaone Mar 17, 2009 12:23pm

Why have the first few comments in opposition to this bill been removed? There was nothing innappropriate in them.

daveman 03/19/2009 8:46am

“SEC. 1302. REQUIRED AND ELIGIBLE NATIONAL SERVICE PROGRAMS.”

‘‘(a) REQUIRED NATIONAL SERVICE CORPS.—The recipient of a grant under section 121(a) and each Federal agency operating or supporting a national service program under section 121(b) shall, directly or through grants or subgrants to other entities, carry out or support the following national service corps, as full- or part-time corps, including during the summer months, to address unmet educational, health, veteran, or environmental needs:

‘‘© PRIORITIES FOR CERTAIN REQUIRED CORPS.—In awarding financial assistance and approved national service positions to eligible entities proposed to carry out the required corps described in subsection (a)—"

“service-learning is a mandatory part of the curriculum in all of the secondary schools served by the local educational agency.”

Saul Alinsky-style here?

Rahm Emanual wants to make this mandatory.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtDSwyCPEsQ

dantheman8282 03/23/2009 6:07am
in reply to mpaone Mar 17, 2009 12:23pm

There WAS language regarding mandatory service. Not all changes are shown in the OpenCongress.org view. Please note the introduced bill in the US House of Representatives (and search for the word “mandatory” or scroll to the bottom and note the text marked in red):
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-1388&version=pcs&compareto=ih&view=side

By the way, this GIVE bill was introduced a year ago as well, as HR 2857. See the link to it below:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-2857

The language of “reasonable mandatory service requirement” was very similar to that used a year ago in an ammendment to HR 2857 (see page 4 especially of the PDF): http://www.rules.house.gov/110/amendments/hr2857/McDermott1.pdf

This ammendment was introduced a year ago by this man:
http://www.opencongress.org/people/show/400262_james_mcdermott

The language about mandatory service was moved here:
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h1444/text

vminch 03/18/2009 7:13am

Section 120b3b states:
“service-learning is a mandatory part of the curriculum in all of the secondary schools served by the local educational agency.” This is taken directly from the bill so it is not paranoia. This is forced service and not volunteering. It must be stopped!

mark4561 05/02/2009 3:24pm
in reply to jetlink120 Mar 24, 2009 7:18pm

While it is true that this language was struck from THIS BILL, if you look in HR 1388, SEC. 4, (b), (6)… Hmmm that language sounds oddly familiar… oh that’s right, ITS THE SAME LANGUAGE, just in a different bill. My guess is that HR 1388 was taking too much flak, so they decided to abandon this language and instead try to sneak it by as a separate, much more focused bill.

ZAPEM 03/18/2009 10:34am

Wrong. This is mandatory and it’s unconstitutional. You have no right trying to come in here and spew out garbage to make Hitler’s Youth Program sound palatable. America is not going to stand for this.

Seqoia32 03/23/2009 8:13am
in reply to dantheman8282 Mar 23, 2009 6:07am

That language has been removed and is NOT in the version passed by the House and being sent to the Senate.

Therefore, there is no need to get hysterical about “mandatory service”.


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