H.R.2401 - No Fly, No Buy Act of 2009

To increase public safety and reduce the threat to domestic security by including persons who may be prevented from boarding an aircraft in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, and for other purposes. view all titles (2)

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  • Short: No Fly, No Buy Act of 2009 as introduced.
  • Official: To increase public safety and reduce the threat to domestic security by including persons who may be prevented from boarding an aircraft in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, and for other purposes. as introduced.

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CowboyRick 05/15/2009 5:31pm

This bill is very bad in scope-there is no due process and they want to rely upon a list that is very well known to have vast amounts of bad information on it. These people need to get a life and leave us alone-utilize the laws that are on the books, don’t make any more.

AlphaOmega 05/18/2009 11:52am
in reply to phans4u May 18, 2009 9:51am

Well if you like guns and enjoy the 2nd Amendment then you might not like the truth about Dennis Kucinich?

“Kucinich is currently drafting legislation that would ban the purchase, sale, transfer, or possession of handguns by civilians. A gun buy-back provision will be included in the bill.

“America is being engulfed in violence every day. Let’s show them we have the wisdom and the courage to come from our hearts to meet this challenge,” Kucinich said."

http://kucinich.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=62819

Curly 05/15/2009 10:30am

We already have laws that prevent bad guys from buying guns via legal means. Enforce the laws we have!

newradish 06/06/2009 12:39pm
in reply to AlphaOmega May 15, 2009 10:02am

This from someone who thinks she’s god.

Piskami 05/17/2009 8:31pm

They don’t even have to try you to put you on the no fly list. Remember that story a bit back of the toddler who was taken away by air port security and searched along with his mother.

Yet another Tyrannical bill.

Here is a thought! Lets put every single American on the no fly list. With this bill we then can stop then from owning a firearm. Now they are disarmed, time for TYRANNY!

callagan 07/15/2009 8:47pm

Fifth Amendment: No person deprived of rights (2nd Amendment), liberty or property (firearms) without due process. 2401 would suspend those rights if you appear on the NO FLY list, which is not the result of any due process legal action, but is instead put together by some admin person who has no judicial authority. Example due process: You are sent legal notice that you have violated some law that would place you on the “no-fly” list, given a chance in court to confront the accuser, given right to legal defence, given your day in court, have the right to appeal, and then and only then would you be denied the “right” to move freely in society, by aircraft. I think the whole “no fly” is unconstitutional, and could be challenged. Not a lawyer, not a dummy.

freeme 08/13/2009 9:51am
in reply to newradish Jun 06, 2009 12:40pm

There are many people with last names Smith, Jones, Brown, Johnson, Mohamed etc. who make it on this list. Often there are hundreds of other people with similar names who have to go through hoops to get on the plane. Even though their middle initial/name is different, they are routinely troubled.

So those innocent people would now be denied gun purchases as well? That doesn’t go along with the American concept of innocent until proven guilty.

Meanwhile the real terrorist is making a bomb, not buying a pistol.

thorvaldr 05/15/2009 3:07pm

Yet another pathetic attempt to deprive people of their rights with no due process in the name of public safety. These tyrants need to be deposed.

newradish 06/06/2009 12:42pm
in reply to thatemailname May 16, 2009 1:04pm

God didn’t give you the right to bear arms, nor was it the Constitution. The Bill of Rights did.

NoLiberal 05/16/2009 8:06am

Remember; it’s congress that makes the laws. Not the president. Vote ‘em out of office in 2010. Both sides are gulity. Vote out the top 5% of both parties. That’s a good start.

unclejessie 06/29/2009 5:46pm
in reply to newradish Jun 06, 2009 12:40pm

I’m sure the 400,000+ people on the no fly list are all terrorists. Nobody knows what the “guidelines” are that get you on this list. By being on the list you haven’t necessarily broken any laws. They are “suspects”. That’s it. That’s not due process to the degree you can take away an individual’s constitutional right to own a gun. Sorry.

ocet 06/10/2009 10:20am
in reply to newradish Jun 06, 2009 12:42pm

wrong, wrong, wrong.

The rights were considered natural, inalienable. The bill of rights was argued hotly because it was felt that these rights should not have to be recorded, since these rights were natural and if any were recorded, then by implication, those that were not recorded would not be reserved to the people. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights#Arguments_against_the_Bill_of_Rights

we have these rights by nature of the fact that we are humans. The Bill of Rights was put in place to restrict the Federal government from infringing on these rights, NOT TO GRANT THEM.

if the Bill of Rights granted them, then another amendment could take them away. thus the argument that they shouldn’t have been written in the first place. These cannot be taken away. Any government that tries has overstepped.

SignOfTheDollar 07/02/2009 12:12pm

The “No Fly” list is notorious for its errors. Are there not enough checks in place regarding gun purchases?

AlphaOmega 06/16/2009 2:37am
in reply to newradish Jun 06, 2009 12:45pm

If I’m ignoring anything it would be you. You don’t understand the Constitution’s Bill of Rights and then you want to comment on a governmental system that calls, “The weapons with which the bourgeoisie felled feudalism to the ground are now turned against the bourgeoisie itself.” The destruction of the middle class and then all that remains are proletarians who are nothing more then slaves to the party (oligharchy). No you don’t understand God given natural born UNALIENABLE RIGHTS! So why would you understand Communism?

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed…”

phans4u 05/18/2009 9:59am

Every day, my mood gets a little bit uglier by the gall of these snakes. I can only imagine there are about 50million others who are even more p*ssed off than me, and one in six REALLY p*ssed-off citizens is enough to get this thing done, I think.
Make sure to get this information out to all.

AlphaOmega 05/18/2009 1:25pm

Listen folks they are beating around the bush. The government members are now in fear for their lives at the hands of armed mobs in the streets of the USA. I can’t even say that I blame them for that fear. They will bring the police, US Military and UN Military to bear against the masses rather than flee. The government is no longer in our control and frankly has not been for a good long time. The once Constitutional Republic of the USA has been overrun by communists. You will laugh and call me names for stating that but you can read it for yourself in the writings of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels called The Communist Manifesto.

Just search for “THE TEN PLANKS OF THE COMMUNIST MANIFESTO” on Google and READ. It is all there in the open. Look at the BILLS they are working on. At some point you must at least agree that something is “funny” out in DC. If this is allowed to go on much longer one day we will wake up in a camp or be murdered in a purge!

drmoorejr 05/22/2009 10:11am

Ted Kennedy was on the “no-fly” list and had a very hard time getting off of it. If he had a hard time getting off the list, how much harder would it be for us? You would be surprised how many are on the list and not know it. You can be mistakenly put on a no-fly list just because your name may be similar to someone else’s or be put on a list because of a criminal that lives across the street. McCarthy knows this very well, why do you think she wants this?

This country needs better than McCarthy, Emanuel and Feinstein.

dragonspeace 12/20/2009 11:22pm
in reply to callagan Jun 02, 2009 1:08pm

the right of “habeus corpus” wasn’t being argued by republicans when innocent americans were being put on the list in the first place. NO ONE should be put on the damn thing without due process, as i’ve seen argued here. but, because civil liberties often seem to be justifiably suspended, according to conservative view points, when “national security” is trumping it, legislation creating “no fly” lists without due process are borne. argue the basic principle, support it, and the only people on the no fly list who would be affected by this “civil liberty violation” will be those who’ve been “proven” to have “terroristic” tendencies or ties. then argue why they are in the u.s. in the first place.—|———

Mrs_B 05/24/2009 7:23am

CONGRESS MUST BE STOPPED! All they do is ‘make laws’ every day undermining the Constitution! WHY? What is the actual role of a Representative. I cannot imagine it’s to sit there creating thousands of new laws (‘legislation’) literally as fast as possible undermining the Constitution, taking away freedoms and endangering the safety/well-being of American citizens!!!! Was THAT the intent of the founders? Weren’t the Representatives supposed to REPRESENT THE PEOPLE—TO PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE?

WHAT THE H*LL IS GOING ON?!

WHY does Congress to even PROPOSE legislation that is blatantly unconstitutional? Isn’t their first (ONLY?) job to uphold the Constitution? Aren’t they required to see if these bills are constitutional FIRST? The 1200+ pieces of ‘legislation’ in this session alone are as far-removed from the Constitution as possible.

Once I stood back and looked, the entire system is ludicrous! A huge fraud being played out in plain sight WITH OUR MONEY, IN OUR NAME.

okwolffcub 02/03/2012 10:03pm

Just put Janet Napolitano to work doing what it is she’s SUPPOSE to be doing, which includes the job functions this bill is being proposed for!
Here you have the “secretary of homeland security” policing the Super Bowl this year over counterfiet merchandice, which was inclusive of SOPA and PIPA, in which were BOTH shot down by congress over the pure stupidity of the proposal of the bills (and yet here we have this douche from NY trying to push through even MORE redundant laws, which Homeland Security’s already suppose to be enforcing).
It’s hard to enforce something like this anyway, when you have Hillary Clinton running around in full burka with Obama smooching the hands of the enemy, vowing the U.S.‘s support to be submissive to their causes.
Stop wasting tax-payer/voter dollars already, and start WORKING FOR the people, like you’ve been elected to do! That don’t include brown-nosing the very people who continue to vow to kill us and take our freedoms.. There has to be a point.

okwolffcub 02/03/2012 10:05pm
in reply to daw8it Aug 07, 2009 6:57am

How so?
Post 9/11, the majority of TSA agents working at the Dallas/Ft. Worth international airport, ARE Islamic! What exactly IS your definition of “nut jobs”?!

Mrs_B 05/24/2009 7:24am
in reply to CowboyRick May 15, 2009 5:31pm

Absolutely CowboyRick! NO MORE LAWS! Can we somehow FREEZE CONGRESS and make it stop???

AlphaOmega 05/27/2009 6:43pm

Here read it and weep…
“Sotomayor is a graduate from Princeton University, where her legal theses included Race in the American Classroom, and Undying Injustice: American “Exceptionalism” and Permanent Bigotry, and Deadly Obsession: American Gun Culture. In this text, the student Sotomayor explained that the Second Amendment to the Constitution did not actually afford individual citizens the right to bear arms, but only duly conferred organizations, like the military. Instead of making guns illegal, she argues that they have been illegal for individuals to own since the passing of the Bill of Rights."

newradish 06/06/2009 12:40pm
in reply to Curly May 15, 2009 10:30am

Wouldn’t this just be a way of enforcing the laws we have? It’s for people on the no-fly list.

newradish 06/06/2009 12:40pm
in reply to thorvaldr May 15, 2009 3:07pm

So do you disagree with the no-fly list, or forbidding terrorists from having guns? I think there’s a good argument for the former, but none for the latter.

LibertarianLady 09/06/2009 8:07pm

Hmmm, a secret list with no oversight, no remedy for removing the innocent, potential political motivation for inclusion on the list, potential racial profiling motivations, and many known mistakes being used to prevent people from exercising Constitutionally protected rights with not a speck of due process and no fix for false positives?

I think not. Vote McCarthy and her three co-sponsors out. Let them know that you won’t stand for your rights being trampled without due process.

AlmostFreeAmerican 08/16/2009 7:43pm
in reply to newradish Jun 06, 2009 12:42pm

Luke 22:36 “Then said he (Christ) unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take [it], and likewise [his] scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.”

It was the Constitution and the Bible that understands a human’s right to defend himself. In the days of Christ it was a sword, today it is a firearm.

dragonspeace 12/20/2009 11:50pm
in reply to Constitutionalist1 Oct 25, 2009 12:11pm

which is why i support hr 17.—|———

obamasucks1 07/15/2009 8:01am

We should include a no liquid over three oz, and a no wear shoes act for the no-fly list folks. This just another garbage anti-gun law. I also agree with callagan. The no-fly list as a gun ban is suspect as to what criteria would be used to get your name on the “list”.

callagan 07/15/2009 8:55pm

The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
Thomas Jefferson

Now there’s a guy who understood liberty.


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