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  <title>Open Congress : Comments on H.R.17 Citizens' Self-Defense Act of 2009</title>
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  <updated>2009-11-18T02:29:02Z</updated>
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    <name>opencongress.org</name>
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  <id>tag:opencongress.org,2007:/bill/comments/53969</id>
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    <title>New comment by AlleeA</title>
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    <updated>2009-11-18T02:29:02Z</updated>
    <id>tag:opencongress.org,2009-11-18:/comment/169503</id>
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      <name>AlleeA</name>
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I just have to say the very idea that this bill is necessary is absurd. We have already had the can-or-can't-Americans-own-guns-debate...in case you haven't read a history book recently it happened over 230 years ago! And the answer was so definitely in favor of our right to bear arms that it was listed within the Constitution itself! (Albeit the bill of rights, but as they were amendments are now considered equal to the constitution.) And in case we forgot, the Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land.
This bill is a sham. It's an unnecessary waste of tax-payers money. Let the progressive/mao-loving dems try and make it illegal to own a gun. I'll take mine right up to their front door &amp; dare them to arrest me for it. Know your rights Americans. They are attempting again to outstep their powers...it's been happening since the early 20th century and it's time to put a halt to their disgusting growth of federal government powers. They have NO RIGHT to do half the things they're doing!    </content>
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    <title>New comment by callagan</title>
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    <updated>2009-04-02T19:03:08Z</updated>
    <id>tag:opencongress.org,2009-04-02:/comment/100429</id>
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      <name>callagan</name>
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I don't know if it is even possible, but Obama and Co. would like to implement International Law norm....Now I watched as he bungled the &quot;support and defend the Constitution&quot; oath of office.  There are some that think that the International Court and Laws that the EU tried to get the EU member nations to accept would trump our constitution (by the way, no EU member has yet adopted them).  Maybe it's a good time to affirm our rights in yet another bill such as this to keep it on the front burner.
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    <title>New comment by biliff1</title>
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    <updated>2009-09-24T13:39:21Z</updated>
    <id>tag:opencongress.org,2009-09-24:/comment/129732</id>
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      <name>biliff1</name>
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Shootest, I believe that you and I may agree on many things. This, being one of them. I once heared the saying that a politition's first job was to get elected. A polititions second job was to get re-elected! I have to disagree with one thing you said. What you said is not a step towords socialism, it's a step towords Fascism! The constitution couldn't be any  more clear; The right to bear arms shall not be infringed. Too many voters in this country want the government to govern thier lives so they don't have any personal accountability. Funny how, as I age, I drift further away from the republican party (but not to the left). The libertarians are making more sense to me every day They are the TRUE constitutionally focused party.    </content>
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    <title>New comment by shooter</title>
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    <updated>2009-02-05T17:14:41Z</updated>
    <id>tag:opencongress.org,2009-02-05:/comment/83745</id>
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      <name>shooter</name>
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You are so right. Every time we let our elected officials know how we feel about an issue, and what we believe, yet they vote opposite to that is another step towards socialism.    </content>
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    <title>New comment by mouseissue</title>
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    <updated>2009-03-14T13:11:08Z</updated>
    <id>tag:opencongress.org,2009-03-14:/comment/95817</id>
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      <name>mouseissue</name>
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I think what Shootest45 means is a Republic is a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote. 

And Democracy (as it exists now in the U.S.) is a form of government in which the supreme power is  exercised by elected agents under a free electoral system. Here, the elected agents decide what's best for the electorate (i.e. the people).

Bottom line... Our democracy has allowed government to assume supreme power over us. This happens when too many people think the government is
the answer to our problems. When in fact, the government has caused most of them.     </content>
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    <title>New comment by apache01</title>
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    <updated>2009-07-28T07:37:52Z</updated>
    <id>tag:opencongress.org,2009-07-28:/comment/115642</id>
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      <name>apache01</name>
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Yes this is true. But you also need to take into account, that the &quot;Electoral College&quot; here, and NOT the popular vote of the people, decides who the President is! Why do you think so many of the Presidential Candidates go to the states with the largest number of Electoral votes first, then TRY to make it to the states with lesser numbers of Electoral votes after they've first made it to the larger numbered electoral states? It's all lies and deception. Like a bill passing the Senate, then just before it's voted on in the House, somebody attaches some bill that had been shot down by all previously on its own, so it will get through. All these last minute add ons should be considered a Criminal Action no matter who does it, or what their reason is for doing it. That's how our government has STOLEN so much power over all these years since our countries conception.    </content>
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    <title>New comment by rforant27406</title>
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    <updated>2009-08-10T12:16:13Z</updated>
    <id>tag:opencongress.org,2009-08-10:/comment/117023</id>
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      <name>rforant27406</name>
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apache01 and you are an idiot the south was supported by england because they wanted cheap cotton and tobacco until they realized that a victory with the south was not possible then they withdrew support. You are the one that needs to research history bud because you must have forgotten when and why the 10 amendment was put into the bill of rights, that the powers not delegated expressly  to the federal government by the constitution was given to the individual states with supreme power left to the people to determine if the government and its laws were right for them. Now, we lost a lot of power when the the great depression hit in the 30's because Roosevelt was passing his alphabet soup bills that made a lot of state responsibilities federal ones.     </content>
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    <title>New comment by apache01</title>
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    <updated>2009-07-28T07:21:30Z</updated>
    <id>tag:opencongress.org,2009-07-28:/comment/115638</id>
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      <name>apache01</name>
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Well, I kinda hate to say this, but our government is much more closely affilitated with a Communistic type than either a Socialist or a Republic type of government. Over time, and you can check with older dictionaries yourself, people, change the definitions of words, or use words inappropriately until the meaning is changed. A true Socialist government, as I was taught in school, and by the older definitions in the older dictionaries, IS more for the people. A Republic type government, is more controlling like a monarchy. Is the Republic of China a well armed Lamb as you say here?, or the Republic of Georgia for that matter? No!!! Republics are more closely defined as dictatorships with a controlling body or small group of leaders! This country, if you do the research you'll see for yourself, was set up NOT as a Republic! It didn't become a Republic until Lincoln who led us into our own civil war.    </content>
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    <title>New comment by akdave</title>
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    <updated>2009-05-15T00:08:53Z</updated>
    <id>tag:opencongress.org,2009-05-15:/comment/106931</id>
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      <name>akdave</name>
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i agree..and, o' course..have sumthing to add..heh..CENTRAL gov't is perhaps a more basic issue..what about state's rights ..?..i'd rather have em,..closer ta home...they kin feel the heat better...i'm into the states passing resolutions concerning their own soveriegnty...(spell check)..the civil war told us what the feds think of that concept...you want what the constitution says??..sry..guess we'll have ta kill ya..hmm..hope we don't have ta go down that road agin    </content>
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    <title>New comment by apache01</title>
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    <updated>2009-07-28T07:29:28Z</updated>
    <id>tag:opencongress.org,2009-07-28:/comment/115641</id>
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      <name>apache01</name>
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Yeah, I agree! He has this all twisted bassackwards.    </content>
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    <title>New comment by Shootest45</title>
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    <updated>2009-02-24T18:23:19Z</updated>
    <id>tag:opencongress.org,2009-02-24:/comment/90290</id>
    <author>
      <name>Shootest45</name>
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Democracy is two wolves and a lamb discussing what to have for dinner.
A Republic is a well armed Lamb ! !    </content>
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    <title>New comment by womanx</title>
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    <updated>2009-11-11T12:23:20Z</updated>
    <id>tag:opencongress.org,2009-11-11:/comment/166848</id>
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      <name>womanx</name>
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Exactly, that is why we need to get involved in making sure we take names and kick out the ones that go against what the American people want. Let people know about this web site and how they can follow the bills and see how their elected officials have voted on a particular subject. Lets all make a difference this comming election, take back our Country. Take back our freedoms that have been given away to big government throughout the years. How many politicians have gotten rich by selling out America? Thats why they go into little rooms behind closed doors to make deals where the American people can't see what they are doing. They are corrupt and need to be delt with next election!     </content>
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    <title>New comment by beaulw69</title>
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    <updated>2009-11-10T09:05:56Z</updated>
    <id>tag:opencongress.org,2009-11-10:/comment/166243</id>
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      <name>beaulw69</name>
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This to me, seems to be about as useful as hr 45. Another useless bill that will either impede in the people's freedoms, or support those that would cause harm. Why do we need this bill? Apparently the hr 45 and hr 17 authors must be related. They were lying around smoking pot then decided to write something stupid. (Stupid-the act, or lack of, doing something one knows is necessary/unnecessary). This bill is unncessary.      </content>
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    <title>New comment by LastStand300</title>
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    <updated>2009-11-06T09:26:19Z</updated>
    <id>tag:opencongress.org,2009-11-06:/comment/163993</id>
    <author>
      <name>LastStand300</name>
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Once we lose the right to bear arms we are slaves to the government. Hitler banned personal ownership of guns and look what he did.  Our president Barack &quot;hussien&quot; Obama is trying very hard to fill the shoes of Hitler and other dictators.  It is up to us to keep our firearms and if that requires us to fight for the right then we should.  Many men and women since the founding fathers have died for us to keep this right, it may be getting time for us to sacrifice in the same way so that our kids will have a country to call home in the near future.    </content>
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    <title>New comment by tonysijr</title>
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    <updated>2009-11-02T22:43:03Z</updated>
    <id>tag:opencongress.org,2009-11-02:/comment/159446</id>
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      <name>tonysijr</name>
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This bill does not fit the nation we live in now and that's why it will never see the light of day. Our society is so focused on the idea of being politically correct and everyone holding hands. This bill would destroy the perfect America we have made. To think people would walk around with guns for protection is just not right. &quot;I'm being sarcastic!&quot;    </content>
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    <title>New comment by ccsilveus</title>
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    <updated>2009-11-02T16:46:53Z</updated>
    <id>tag:opencongress.org,2009-11-02:/comment/159036</id>
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      <name>ccsilveus</name>
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oh I forgot any minorities too. I belong to NRA but keeping pistols in homes is inviting trouble. Accidental death rates for children where hand guns are in the home are too high. In my view 1 is too many!!!!    </content>
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    <title>New comment by apache01</title>
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    <updated>2009-07-28T12:45:36Z</updated>
    <id>tag:opencongress.org,2009-07-28:/comment/115691</id>
    <author>
      <name>apache01</name>
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Yeah, I own guns myself, and to believe in our rights to protect ourselves and families, but READ the bills they've attached to this one!!!! HR 47 we DO NOT WANT! But, it's attached to this one, because they knew people like you, would not read the whole thing and be all on board about passing this one, while they slide HR 47 thru as well, right under your blind noses people!!!! Damn, wake up! Yes we need this one, but not the other one attached. By urging the passing of this one, you are also unwittingly helping get the unwanted one passed as well!!!    </content>
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    <title>New comment by apache01</title>
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    <updated>2009-07-22T10:13:32Z</updated>
    <id>tag:opencongress.org,2009-07-22:/comment/114641</id>
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      <name>apache01</name>
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I do agree with your comments here fully, and would like to add if I may, that not only does the Second Amendment in our Constitution not only speak very clearly our right to keep and bear arms, but we as a people, under this same Constitution, do also have the right to keep those weapons for our own defense in each states Militia, which we do also have the right to have according to the Rights handed to us so wisely all those years ago by our forefathers. No government, not even our own, not on the federal, state, or even local level, should be empowered in any way, to take any of these rights away from even one single law abiding LEGAL citizen of the United States of America.    </content>
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    <title>New comment by Foundersfury</title>
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    <updated>2009-08-18T08:14:13Z</updated>
    <id>tag:opencongress.org,2009-08-18:/comment/119898</id>
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      <name>Foundersfury</name>
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I agree with this bill, but according to the 2nd amendment this right is God given and SELF EVIDENT, what part of SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED do the demo-commies not understand.  Did the Heller Decision not make this plain for all to see.  No matter what never surrender, any law passed that is contrary to this or the 2nd amendment is unconstitutional and shall not be obeyed.    </content>
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    <title>New comment by sweffymo</title>
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    <updated>2009-04-21T20:51:40Z</updated>
    <id>tag:opencongress.org,2009-04-21:/comment/103716</id>
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      <name>sweffymo</name>
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/117361/Recent-Shootings-Gun-Control-Support-Fading.aspx    </content>
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